BBH, show me where you claim that thing for SF3? I remember no such thing. I never remember even participating in any SF3 discussions. I might have totally forgotten about it though...so refresh my memory. I can then review and tell you why I decided that for that game.
SF3 is SF3. HS is HS. Each game is its own game. Special rules can apply for different games. It happens on a case-by-case basis.
QRS wrote:All people are playing on the same level now too. The only difference is the lower score. WHY should a game allow NVRAM just to get the score higher? Because TG will allow it? Just because Kelly has an unbeatable score without it? Because some people WANT a higher score? Sorry, but that is not enough for me to allow it in my opinion.
No, that isn't all of it. I look at it this way. MARP seems to want to be more than just a for-fun scoreboard for MAME. It also wants to have a collaboration with TG which is evidenced by the Deca and similar competitions. MARP also has long allowed TG settings be used for games instead of the MAME default settings so gamers here can post scores to the MARP scoreboard that also get submitted and likely end up on the TG scoreboard and also at the same time they participate in Deca competitions.
Many of the best scores for MARP are as a result of these various competitions. If settings for these competitions are different vs MARP settings/rules, then they end up archived or zeroed in which case I personally wouldn't even want my score/replay on the MARP scoreboard. It doesn't belong there.
So, now that isn't possible for HS.... I still think a "loophole" is there where you could play HS using a nvram file and just state you were playing using TG settings. That loophole needs to be closed.
If someone wants to compete and try to beat the TG mame (or arcade) record, use TG rules and upload it there!
Yes, this is likely what players will be doing....as well as for other games also. MARP won't have the best replays for these games anymore. You will have to look elsewhere for them.
And after that go ahead and do the same at MARP on the MARP rules!
ok, so a new world record score for TG is also uploaded to MARP as no nvram and ends up being a 2nd or 3rd place etc. type score. Oh boy...yeah. That's the ticket. It's not likely a gamer that has set a new WR would want their score listed as 2nd or 3rd.
why not make one for MARP and the other for TG? I mean some games at MARP does have splits or clones and people are uploading on them anyway.
Yes, this is certainly true...and some might do this....but you are removing what likely is a strength of a master player of the game from them not getting lots of the mole points they deserve for the pole vault.
As noted above, it's a flaw in Konami's game code....why punish the gamer for it when it's so easily avoided in MAME by having a standard nvram file be used to normalize an aspect of competition for this game that really wasn't even possible in arcades?
They just accept that it is two different kinds of communities and they upload under different rules to both of them sometimes. Think about that, because even if TG and MARP share many players and rules, we ARE two separate communities with different rules and different people.
yes, this is fine.....and fine for TG and MARP also. I have stated many times that MARP is MARP and TG is TG. By that I mean exactly what you state above.
However, MARP then can't bitch at these players are deleting their scores from MARP or why they won't make new replays etc. MARP makes their choices....gamers make their choices.
...so be it either way.
So if anyone has any valid points according to the MARP rules regarding Hypersports, please tell us. So far I have not seen any.
ok... I have made these points previously but perhaps they were overlooked so I will be more clear here...
1) given MARP allows you to play a game by TG settings by just showing "TG" in the description, gamers can use a nvram file and play via TG settings... although not official yet I am pretty sure TG will allow the nvram. It's a nice loophole in the MARP settings for games.
2) MARP rules allow a polling of the membership for possible exceptions or special cases/settings/rules for games. A special rule is passed when 2/3rds vote in favor of the change.
Was such a poll done for HS? It seems the editors made this recent choice without any poll at all. If a poll was done for this a couple years ago, fine...but perhaps it's time due to these discussions to have a new vote. The rule 2d change was great. That was needed. That change though doesn't change the fact you can have special rules for a game that override the general rules.
Odds are, given the editors were 7-0, that no way a poll would get 2/3rds anyway...since those 7 editors would vote no on that poll...but that process would then be more satisfying to many members...instead of just some absolute vote the membership doesn't get to participate in.
The reasons an editor gave above for why they voted to not allow nvram are invalid reasons. I explained the differences and potential misunderstandings for that reasoning.
