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Re: RE

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:05 pm
by LN2
QRS wrote:It does not have to be me doing it, so feel free to do it this time Rick. Or anyone else of course.
Given I was the target of the Outrun stuff and harassed for it even though someone ELSE started that thread and poll no way I'm gonna start the poll on this or any other game. I'll discuss the issue(obviously) and vote on it but won't be the one to start the poll that releases the Wrath of Hisa! :P

I always felt that was something for the editors/moderators to do anyway. We can discuss it but then they see ok...they have enough for a vote so they start a poll...otherwise you have it where any player can start a poll for anything.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 6:55 pm
by Novice
Defcon=5
Chad wrote:
piot wrote:Just a simple question : Does MARP allow settings to be change during a play ?
I think the question remains, can you change the speed settings in a real arcade environment during play (and not being the manager able to open up the cabinet) of camel try? If not, we dont need a poll and hisa's major effort is for not. If so, then yes it's allowed because it's doable in the arcade, and a poll could be created to go for speed completion or bumper sticking trick.
Some preparation necessary, but It can make such things easy.
When you play with the digital controller, The equipment which adjusts the proper input quantity with the dial becomes necessary.
If it is the game-center where the maniac gets together it will prepare naturally.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 7:44 am
by Francois Daniel
LN2 wrote:
Novice wrote:if short cut will be ban,most of marble madness scores turn to zero.
I suggested by default tricks shouldn't be allowed so the 66% vote requirement would have to be to allow this trick for this game. The trick itself is a special case that would need the special rule. It's odd MARP only requires 34% for tricks to be allowed. It's a flaw in the logic of requiring the 66% majority. It's the only reason the Outrun trick is still allowed even though only 40% thought it should be allowed. The 66% to say it's fine using the trick is what should have been required for the trick to be allowed. It barely got half of that level of vote.
I agree. The trick is allowed but it haven't 66% of vote !!! It's not logical. If the question of the poll had be : The Outrun trick is allowed ? It will be banned because it had only 40% of vote !!!

Think of it for the future. There is a flaw in the 66% vote rule.

Francois

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 8:48 am
by The TJT
I agree most strongly.

Anyway Hisa thinks it is very democratic rule, because it suits him well. He seems to fail rules of decent discussion, right logic and being subjective all the time. All he does is trying to affect peoples opinions to do as he sees best.

Right logic sometimes seems arrogant, hahaha

TTYF´s (Hisa Chans) Camletry recording.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 9:36 am
by Oakster
DEFCON 7
Hisa, Dont get me wrong, I think its great that you share all tricks/bugs or what ever it is, I really do. Its just that I, personally, think it more fun to see Cameltry played the other way, and that it takes way more skill to beat the topscores that way.
so please, no more defcon 1 ...eh...right?
I would like to see you give the Ironball a chance, if you got the time between all that penetrating :wink:
Novice wrote:Defcon=6

and very glad when penetrate into sweet spot.
(can you understand how much I was GLAD??)

Indeed Hisa, Indeed, :D THATS the spirit! ...atleast for me, Im off to see a whore...

bye/David

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 9:55 am
by The TJT
Now, that's the spirit. go for the sweet spot! :oops: You will be very glad afterwards.

It's very easy after penetration, just remember to come out before the timer runs out....?

Remember, Japanese are very good at this.


Sorry for this post, could not resist :roll:

P.S. Was this your first time Hisa?

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 10:11 am
by Novice
Defcon= 0(FINISHED!!!!)

I felt most of disscussion(I think it is not).are to DQ me.

they just want to bash the trick of "TTYF can,noone other cannot".
not more than it and not less than it.

The guys who want to be DQed me tend to
1 Do not(in other word can not) prove their words by their skill
2 Just attack me but very hate attacked oneself.
3 Want to say "my skill is trick,TTYF is leech" even if there is no essencial difference
4 and laughing out TTYF's skill if he has advantage, insult and force to DQ if he has disadvantage.

even if which poll wins, they have nothing to lose.it is already out of my policy.
this type of interrogation bring me nothing worthy.

I tried the explanation which is very worthy thought it is as kindly as possible.
but I can not discussion with someone who will laugh at the element which is inferior by self and will reject the element which is superior by self.

my stage 10 performance is very poor.
it is no wonder. I do not know even a map.
I can go stage 3 once out of 4-500 trials. just difference of play.
10 seconds at stage 10 is worth 10,000 points.
sweet spot is worth 2,000,000 points.
such guys laughing out my skill is same thing as
"Losing perfect game man at street fighter 2 laughing out the man who missed one punch(-100pts) with perfect game.(+20,000pts)".
and scream "perfect bonus is not by battle."

everything I want to some stalkers are not their opinion.
I already heard it. ( and already know before hear.)
Ignore me was only one their words which make rejoice me.
but OF COURSE it was a lie.

I already supply enough informations.
(it must be much superior informations than grand total amount of all other marpers can supply about cameltry)
if you wants to talk more, send me personal mail.
I will responce if you are not a fucker.

I will accept the result of absent judgement.


P.S.
I am a victim of this thread.
only one man who obtain there is no at all, but there is a possibility of losing many effort.
A VICTIM behaving gentle as possible and hind my BIG RAGE,whats are their attitude???
incredibly rude.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 10:27 am
by The TJT
There's nothing to be ashamed of, if this is your first time. (Graduate 1967)

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 11:48 am
by piot
Novice wrote:Defcon= 0(FINISHED!!!!)

I felt most of disscussion(I think it is not).are to DQ me.

they just want to bash the trick of "TTYF can,noone other cannot".
not more than it and not less than it.
Please, not again ! :(

I read the full thread and I haven't the same feelings than yours.
The discussion is quite gentle for once so please don't turn it in your usual "I'm a victim, they want to ban my technic cause they don't know how to success in..."

Re: TTYF´s (Hisa Chans) Camletry recording.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 11:50 am
by piot
Oakster wrote:DEFCON 7
I was affraid Hisa changed his name once again :wink:

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 2:48 pm
by Chad
No one (I think) is trying to diminish your effort Hisa. That's a fricken amazing trick to get the score to an ungodly level, even though your rolling play was very "poor". I think a lot of people are just in favor of competing twoards "intended" skill level rather than strictly for high points no matter how you get them.

If it was easy to split games, we could have al sorts of ways to play different games for score only or for time or for box crunches, etc. And they could all have their own standing. But it's not, this is a free site, it's not easy to split games, so we all have to decide on a uniform way of playing that many of us will be happy with. (even though there are like 100 splits of cameltry already :)

I apologize for any translation errors if you are reading this in a language other than english.

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 6:28 pm
by LN2
Novice wrote:Defcon= 0(FINISHED!!!!)
Oh please I hope so. j/k
I felt most of disscussion(I think it is not).are to DQ me.
Not at all. I think you have completely missed the points of the Outrun thread and Cameltry threads. They are to discuss and decide if any rules are needed to assist governing how the game is to be played.

All games have rules. All these tricks are just loopholes for games that many claim since the game allows it is within the rules of playing the game. That is flawed logic. You can do that type of thing with just about any game(not talking computer games here even). Take poker, you could decide if you have the 2 of hearts you automatically win that hand regardless what everyone else has in their hand. If all agree to play the game that way then that is a special rule you have established for playing that game that evening. All are playing it the same way. If only 1 person there decided to play that way but all others didn't want to play that way then the game likely stops being played very quickly or the others keep playing on their own not allowing that other person to play cuz they won't play by the rules the others want to play with. It's simple.

You need that same thing for these arcade games also cuz it's the only way scores on a high score board can be compared...all must be playing by the same rules.
they just want to bash the trick of "TTYF can,noone other cannot".
not more than it and not less than it.
Gimme a break. It takes little skill at all to do most of those tricks. It does require some knowledge to know the trick exists and how to do the trick. Once you know though the execution of most tricks is fairly simple. I think most rather not waste our time playing games doing tricks and just getting more skillful at the games instead. That's the difference. Maybe just to show you up and maybe actually shut you up I will crush your 2.2 million score...however it would be total waste ot my time IMHO so I likely won't do it. You seem to think you are high and mighty and the only one that can play Cameltry using that trick...so you are more skilled and better than the rest. Man, you are pretentious(look up that word so you know what it means).
The guys who want to be DQed me tend to
1 Do not(in other word can not) prove their words by their skill
Excuse me..watch QRS's inp of Cameltry.....shame you can't watch mine unless you have access to a mac....but QRS's inp runs are far more skilled than yours. He doesn't need to prove a thing.

You admit yourself in the post above you really didn't even know the worlds that well which is why you played world 10 so poorly. Ok...how can you even admit that to yourself then tell others to shut up cuz they don't have the skill level you do? You admitted your skill at playing the game was less than the other submitted scores at MARP.
4 and laughing out TTYF's skill if he has advantage, insult and force to DQ if he has disadvantage.
I think you are just stirring up trouble and laughing at all the trouble you are stirring up cuz no gamer can be this obsolete to what you are saying.
A real gamer would have known what they were doing with Cameltry here was nothing short of cheating(yes, I finally used that word) really and would never even consider submitting something like this to a high scoreboard. It's great for a tricks page or scoreboard that has an anything goes policy...however scores at those scoreboards mean very little to me and most cuz the best players in the world could easily match those or beat them at their own trickery.

We are saying if you play the game normally and set a high score great! It will require a very high level of skill to beat those scores. We will admire you for having the skill to do that. I don't admire your skill or lack of it for Cameltry at all for doing that trick and playing the game totally different.
this type of interrogation bring me nothing worthy.
You brought this on yourself and you know it...but playing a game in a different way you must know yourself is pretty much cheating saying screw the rules of the game....I'll go through the walls cuz the game has flaws within mame that allow me to do it.

If MARP allowed that for all games this scoreboard and inps for many many games wouldn't be worth crap. You would download an inp for a top score expecting to see a game of great skill beyond anything you can do but instead you see someone using a cheap trick in the game and just average skill to set the top score where the player is lost on world 10 barely able to get through it. That's not what MARP is about at all.

It has absolutely nothing to do with you personally Hisa. This isn't an attack on you. If anyone submitted a Cameltry inp doing that we would have still had this discussion and coming poll.
my stage 10 performance is very poor.
it is no wonder. I do not know even a map.
ah ha, so you admit you hadn't even played the game enough to even know the worlds....or develop the skill to get through it well...yet you call yourself more skilled than the rest because you got a 2+ million score using cheap trick?

Your own statements shoot yourself down at times.
(it must be much superior informations than grand total amount of all other marpers can supply about cameltry)
Fine, so you brought some information and showed us a trick for Cameltry. That's great....for the trick page. Some have said it's impressive. I think as far as a trick stunt for the tricks page it would be a nice addition. I had said that previously also.

You give yourself way too much credit for providing that information to MARP though like you are some big hot shot. If I really wanted to "cheat" at games I would. Many I know but others I would have to look them up to learn about the tricks before doing them. Knowledge isn't necessarily the same as skill.
I will responce if you are not a fucker.
Everyone is that to you. That's the attitude I said you have...now in this thread you have proven to others I was previously correct.
I am a victim of this thread.
Gimme a break. You hinted before you did this trick for Cameltry from your posts in that other Cameltry thread what you were doing was very very likely illegal....yet you did it anyway. You are not a victim at all cuz you made the decision to play the game that way and submit it.

I'm pretty sure you just did it to stir up trouble...and would have never done it to start with if it wasn't QRS and me that had the high scores for the game. I'm pretty sure you did it in vengeance for our participation in the Outrun thread...even though cuz the flaw in how the poll question was phrased the trick was allowed to stand. That flaw needs to be corrected at MARP cuz you could phrase a poll question in any manner and get what you want cuz it would require only 34% support to get it.

RE

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 8:01 pm
by QRS
Geez.. things are getting hot on this thread again... can we cool down a little please? Everyone go back to your corner, step out of the wrestling arena, take a chair and sit down.. hold your breath for 20 seconds (10 if you can´t stand 20) :)

Ok feeling better all of you? :) Let´s discuss again!!

Regards

QRS - who is just in for a brief look to check what´s happening on this thread! bbl

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 3:53 pm
by zlk
Who decides what is skill?

Who decides what marp is all about?

I have seen many inps where a player seems to play with "more skill" but ends up with a lower score than another player. Should those inps with more points and "less skill" be banned?

QRS and I have a solution that should make everyone happy. Hopefully I will have time to write it up this weekend to see what people think about it.

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 5:45 pm
by LN2
zlk wrote:Who decides what is skill?

Who decides what marp is all about?
Those are good posers.

However, I refer to the Rules page here at MARP to see the overall mission statements made there for what MARP is all about.

Rule 1 is important and something Novice has violated numerous times recently with him bashing many other members. I admitted I replied to him not so kind a couple times also and formally apologized for those. It was after nicely asking him several times to stop though. anyway...

Rule "2c" to me means all tricks like used in Outrun or Cameltry or numerous other games are not allowed....at least not allowed until some vote and special rule is set up for those games to allow that particular technique.

That rule also means for that Outrun poll 66% needed to approve that method of playing instead of the way it seemed to have been done where 66% needed to say that method wasn't allowed. That totally goes against rule 2c. 40% said that way of playing Outrun is fine and that was enough to allow it(?).

Just something for the editors to think about.
I do think it's nice if members that read this just take a minute or 2 and look at that rules page to refresh themselves what it states there. I'm guessing some members, perhaps Hisa, have never read that Rules page.