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Questions about Bios/chd's etc.

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 5:43 pm
by welby1
Just curious, but is there a way to determine what games require a specific bios file? Some of them are pretty obvious, but not all.

What purpose do the chd files have, and how do you know if one is needed?

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 7:31 pm
by LN2
if you do an audit on the rom set, it will show you what rom files are missing. Normally you can see if a bios is needed from the missing list.

chd files are a compressed hard drive image file format....which more modern games in mame use.

the arcade games for these have actual hard drives etc. with the data on them.

I can't wait til mame has opengl use module to support the 3dfx arcade games

Re: Questions about Bios/chd's etc.

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 7:33 pm
by Weehawk
welby1 wrote:Just curious, but is there a way to determine what games require a specific bios file? Some of them are pretty obvious, but not all.

What purpose do the chd files have, and how do you know if one is needed?
List of BIOS files:

http://www.mameworld.net/maws/srch.php?cat=2

Click on the file name to see what games require it.

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 8:15 pm
by mahlemiut
LN2 wrote:chd files are a compressed hard drive image file format....which more modern games in mame use.
Not quite. CHD = Compressed Hunk of Data. It represents large storage media, typically hard disks or CD-ROMs

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 11:52 pm
by welby1
Didn't even think about the audit, and the list will help greatly.
Pretty much what I thought about the chd's.
Thanks.

Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 1:26 am
by LN2
[quote="mahlemiutNot quite. CHD = Compressed Hunk of Data. It represents large storage media, typically hard disks or CD-ROMs[/quote]

yeah, after the fact I realized many have it on CDs.

how far is mame from supporting laser disc games? sure, we have daphne, but it would be cool to have the laser disc image and mame play the game from those.

Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 7:11 am
by mahlemiut
Don't hold your breath. :)

I'm sure Haze knows more technical details on why laser discs aren't dumped for MAME. All I remember is something about video codecs or something.

Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 1:46 pm
by LN2
yeah, I can see licensing issues there perhaps.

it sounds more like where they want mame to be totally it's own thing...

in other words, if they could compile the codec within mame for the support, the developers would do it...but since it would require installing of someone else's software and reference the lib etc. they want no part of it.

oh well...not much you can do there.

Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 8:49 pm
by mahlemiut
It's more that the license needs to be compatible with the MAME license, as well as being available free to use. And also, a proper dump of the laser disc would be interesting too, as it's not digital.

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:04 am
by LN2
good point....I wonder how large a "proper" laser disc dump would be.

it seems a truly accurate one would require a TV-card or equivalent to play the raw signal data...or was a codec actually used for those games?!?

I just remember those laser discs were huge...but perhaps no more data than a CD-ROM has nowadays?!?

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:35 pm
by The TJT
Nah, more than a CD-ROM. They sell it in DVD at digitalleisure. Merely my Dragon's Lair Daphne converted video+sound takes 957MB hard disk space.

I don't get the difference between analog and digital here. Analog=movie, digital=computer...right? In order to play it with a computer it HAS to be converted to digital format, unless you have a movie disk and emulate movie playing hardware too. Did I get it right?
:roll:

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:35 pm
by mahlemiut
Anything stored on a CD or DVD is digital. Laser discs are analogue.

Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 9:59 am
by LN2
another way to perhaps say it is digital is data that just consists of zeroes and ones...

each site location on digital media is either 0/1 in value. or off/on...magnetized, not magnetized, etched, not etched, etc.

On analog media, you don't have 0/1s...but a stored degree of magnetism(in the case of VHS tapes, cassettes etc.