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Special rules say:

You must use MAME 0.75 or later for this game - its emulation was incorrect before, causing stuck balls [er... ] which gives easy points.

So shouldn't all the scores be zeroed/deleted (except Gerhard's score)?

Very interesting. Rule was edited 4 feb 2004. Last score (except Gerhard S score) is from 12 aug 2003 and scores are not zeroed.

yep..there are easily 100+ cases like this on the MARP scoreboard now...where new rules were adopted yet replays violating the rule still remain unzeroed.

Also, at least 10-15 macmame replays I had reviewed and requested through a forum post(s) to be zeroed out due to rules violations or couldn't get it to playback successfully have not been zeroed.

diabolik wrote: So shouldn't all the scores be zeroed/deleted (except Gerhard's score)?

Done, all scores other than gerhard's have been zeroed.

LN2 wrote:yep..there are easily 100+ cases like this on the MARP scoreboard now...where new rules were adopted yet replays violating the rule still remain unzeroed.

Also, at least 10-15 macmame replays I had reviewed and requested through a forum post(s) to be zeroed out due to rules violations or couldn't get it to playback successfully have not been zeroed.

Still bitter, are we?

100+ cases... me thinks somebody has a tendency to inflate things just a tad. Sort of like that whole 8 million on NES Contra thing. As for the macmame recordings, perhaps they weren't zeroed since it's common courtesy not to do that until at least three different people report of problems with the recording.

We're only human, and don't spend every waking moment of our lives waiting to edit scores on MARP. Sometimes things slip though, or we assume somebody else is going to do it. So post a reminder and don't be an ass about it.

I know of your tendency to make long posts, so I expect to see a reply listing those 100+ cases!

Thanks BBH.

BBH wrote:Still bitter, are we?

not sure where you see that in my above post...

However, I had forums posts for at least 10-20+ cases for macmame inps alone that have still gone unaddressed. All you need to do is check back to postings I had 6-12 months ago.

100+ cases... me thinks somebody has a tendency to inflate things just a tad.

nah... I did assume though given there are at least 10-20+ macmame cases of this, that there are 5-10 times as many PC cases.

As for the macmame recordings, perhaps they weren't zeroed since it's common courtesy not to do that until at least three different people report of problems with the recording.

Perhaps, but Chad had established for macmame since I was essentially the only confirmer for macmame replays that only one person needed to not be able to properly play it back etc.

In some cases I posted about, I had contacted the player of that replay when possible and got them to try playing it back themselves. In all but 1 of the cases I had posted the player couldn't even get it to playback correctly...so asked it be zeroed anyway.

That also doesn't change those like infinite leeching replays that violate the special rule for the game or some other special rule or game setting. I had made the case based on a certain replay for the special rule and it was adopted....as well as other games where it was only PC-mame replays...

...yet those scores were never zeroed. Those aren't a case of not being able to play them back successfully. The playback worked fine....but the gameplay breaks the rules so should be zeroed.

We're only human, and don't spend every waking moment of our lives waiting to edit scores on MARP. Sometimes things slip though, or we assume somebody else is going to do it. So post a reminder and don't be an ass about it.

I totally agree...but when 90% of my postings for zeroing scores didn't get addressed yet 90+% of PC requests get addressed...I think that goes beyond stuff just slipping through.

A few were even for threads where pc-mame replays were pointing out as being the same as the macmame one... and the PC ones zeroed...yet the macmame one not zeroed out even though I had informed it had the same rules violation or bad game dip switch setting etc.

It hardly matters to me now. I have gotten the jist that MARP doesn't really want macmame scores on it's scoreboard.

I won't be submitting anymore scores to MARP until I or someone else has a build that is equivalent to a wolfmacmame and where the replay is compatible with pc-wolfmame.

It's a shame cuz I had some great competitions with other great gamers through MARP...like Tommi(TJT) and QRS(Anders) and QT Quazar etc.

...we had that fun even though we couldn't necessarily watch each other's replays etc. I never cared to watch the replays of my "opponents" anyway.

It's about all I had at MARP given I can't participate in the special events that TG and MARP have.

whatever...but I thought MARP was always about just having some fun and making online friendships through friendly competition.

90% of your posts were ignored? i think not. I might have missed one of your postings but i usually get at least 90% (including the macmame ones i thought?) of the playbackability posts and edit/check them. I do agree that mac recordings are special but that's really my opinion and not a strict rule yet. I don't think i said that loud enough so the rest of the editors might have asumed that even mac recordings need two more to verify.

please show links to the 90% of the posts i didn't get to.

I remember Rick C.'s Piranha .inp 212,000.
He added some info to the file to make it compatable to windows.
I watched LN2's joyman also. Good work.

LN2 wrote:

BBH wrote:Still bitter, are we?

not sure where you see that in my above post...

That's what your post comes off as after the not-so-subtle dig you made towards MARP over at Twin Galaxies.

100+ cases... me thinks somebody has a tendency to inflate things just a tad.

nah... I did assume though given there are at least 10-20+ macmame cases of this, that there are 5-10 times as many PC cases.

So wait. What exactly are you referring to here?

There are 10-20+ macmame cases of individual games where recordings are in violation of the special rules, like bombbee?

Or 10-20+ recordings with playback problems? Those are two very different things.


...not going to bother replying to the rest of that post since it would be a waste of time for all parties involved.

BBH wrote:So wait. What exactly are you referring to here?

There are 10-20+ macmame cases of individual games where recordings are in violation of the special rules, like bombbee?

Or 10-20+ recordings with playback problems? Those are two very different things.

LN2 wrote:..there are easily 100+ cases like this on the MARP scoreboard now...where new rules were adopted yet replays violating the rule still remain unzeroed.

Chad wrote:90% of your posts were ignored? i think not.

Please, let's not get caught up in the semantics that BBH wants to do here.

I said posts that were not addressed. That's different than being ignored.

By not addressed, I mean simply as clearly stated in the context of the post that several scores haven't been zeroed that were requested to be zeroed.

That doesn't mean the posts weren't read and just ignored. In many cases there were replies in the thread by editors that agreed that or this score should be zeroed....yet still they weren't zeroed.

The ones that got me were where PC-mame scores with the same violation were zeroed out, yet the request for the macmame one to be zeroed out in that same thread didn't happen.

I might have missed one of your postings but i usually get at least 90% (including the macmame ones i thought?) of the playbackability posts and edit/check them.

As Weehawk repeated my quote above, my comment here wasn't focusing on playbackability, but replays which should be zeroed due to rules violations.

Those are 2 different beasts and discussions. It shouldn't take 3+ people to view a replay and confirm a rules violation was done on a game or that wrong game settings(dip switch settings) were used etc.

In a few cases the macmame inp was actually compatible for viewing in pc-mame...as pc-mame players had posted they saw the rules violation in watching it themselves....yet score still not zeroed.

please show links to the 90% of the posts i didn't get to.

It's been 6-12+ months since these. I also am not talking about a brief period of time here...but from replays I was watching for the purpose of confirming for the MARP scoreboard that I did over about a 1 year period off and on.

I am not about to dig through my post history(if it even goes back that far) to find 20+ posts asking for scores to be zeroed...then checking the scoreboard again to see which ones haven't been etc.

I am on dialup nowadays again(for now)...it would take me hours/days to do this task.

Other than a few posts in these forums, I have not been active at MARP for 6 months now so I would be starting at ground zero like anyone else to try and find posts they posted that long ago.

BBH wrote:That's what your post comes off as after the not-so-subtle dig you made towards MARP over at Twin Galaxies.

No, I was only posting why I don't participate at MARP for now. A topic was started by others. I only took part in that discussion.

The big comment in that TG thread I was addressing was where someone stated that any MARP confirmed scores with "TG" in the description using TG settings should be put on the TG scoreboard.

I then stated some differences simply to make sure TG is kept a separate entity from MARP. A TG ref can't be expected to monitor new uploads to MARP on a daily or with the ABC uploaders more than once a day basis....and attempt to watch and review all replays with "TG" in the description.

80+% of them can't be accepted by TG to start with simply from the fact the MARP member has not registered with TG.

In short I was saying that scores that players want to be on the TG scoreboard should have to be formally submitted to TG. If the player also wants to submit it on MARP, that's fine too...many have done this.

I think many MARP players assume a new score they submitted to MARP using TG settings will get on the TG scoreboard.

TG rejects many scores that MARP accepts. MARP rejects many scores that TG would accept.

I posted that cuz I am a TG referee. IMHO it's very important that MARP confirmed scores are never automatically accepted by TG. TG is TG. MARP is MARP. It's simple as that. It's not putting one or the other down.

There are 10-20+ macmame cases of individual games where recordings are in violation of the special rules, like bombbee?

bombbee...sure.

I had even posted in the past in the thread that first pointed out that bombbee was fixed in the newer version of MAME(think it was first fixed with 0.75 or 0.77 or near that) so all scores using an older version should be zeroed.

I posted totally agreeing with that then pointed out I agree even though it means my own score would be zeroed out. I have done this on a few occasions. It shows I stay objective to the rules etc. even when it results in my own scores being zeroed.

Thx for zeroing my bombbee score. I think I will just delete it versus it remaining on the scoreboard.