destructor wrote:Poll not but discussion maybe ...
Well, this thread is here for the
POLL
We already have a couple leaderboard discussion threads. Continue discussion of other aspects there. Discussing stuff that has no relation to what this first poll is here to accomplish will just confuse others.
I say about MARP tournaments only. Less and less players take part in tournaments.
Well, I hate to say it but I think your complete dominance of the events turns a few away. If they think they have no chance unless they play 60 hours a week like you seem to do in the events, then they likely won't even enter.
it turns more into "work" than just playing for fun. Not very many are going to be serious enough to want to play that much and just those specific games. That would be required to compete with you playing the game for 60 hours that week.
On MARP have no rewards. I thought that bonus points for leaderboard can be reward.
Sure it has an award. You get mentioned in the news and talked about in the forums. Perhaps that's not a big enough award for many...fine. For me, just winning the competition or even just having the best score for any of the rom sets used during the competition would be award enough.
The efforts made by those who participate automatically results in their leaderboard points increasing...especially for games they likely would have never played or submitted a score for otherwise. "That" is the bonus. You went from having ZERO leaderboard points for that rom set from not having any score for it submitted to having likely 50+ points in many cases.
The real problem of participation perhaps is communication. How many members of MARP rarely bother to read the news or the forums? It seems around 75% of the active members who have submitted scores in the past 6 months don't post to the forums...don't vote in the polls etc.
if MARP had some regular news flash thing that went to all members who have listed an e-mail address that would help...then new items posted on the news page like the coming WCC and registration etc. would get to far more members who otherwise maybe wouldn't check the site during those few weeks.
Then you get bonus +100pts. for leaderboard (totally 200 on game xxx, not 100 only).
It's only my idea.
Man, I hope it's only your idea.
That would distort the leaderboard far more than issues like ABC uploaders do now.
Oh, this person is #5 on the leaderboard yet only has half the top 3 finishes and total submissions of all others near him on the leaderboard... hmmm...fair? hardly...
Ok, consider if pacman was used. The highest score for pacman from the event is 3,100,000. Skill wise that's a decent run...but far shy of my 3,322,900. Do they deserve more leaderboard points and credit for that 3.1 million just because they did it during an event? cmon.
using your system, if I had a PC I could participate and submit a 2 million score and get more leaderboard points versus my 3,322,900 score.
Yeah, let's motivate members to replace their scores with inferior ones just so they can get more leaderboard points.
That can easily happen with your "bonus" idea.
Nobody will play in tournaments soon. So what for tournaments?
well, that's not something to try and solve by manipulating the leaderboard.
I know from looking at the TG Deca it seems they aren't having any issues with participation.
Perhaps it's the format of the WCC where you have 1 game per week that not any don't want to have to play a game each and every week.
The TG-Deca is where you have several months to submit scores for 10 total games. You can choose to spread that out concentrating on 1 game each week or play 8 of the games in just the span of 1 weekend and take the rest of the time on 1 game or just play a couple weekends and whatever you score is it.
It's far more flexible for the player than the WCC tournament...or knockout format etc.
Think of it this way...you spend a lot of time playing in the first several weeks of the WCC or knockout and are in the top 2-3 and are in contention to still possibly win.
Then something in real life happens where your plans you had to play that weekend fall through. You are OUT of the competition.
not many have 10 straight weeks or whatever in a row without something happening in real life that prevents them from playing that week....or giving any real effort. Do you want them to just have time to play the game only once and submit whatever they get? That really wouldn't help the contest.
If it's great weather outside that weekend I would rather be out and about versus stuck inside playing games all weekend.
I think you look at these events too seriously. I look at them like this. It's a vehicle to focus gamers all toward the same game to get some really good and/or great scores submitted to the site through that competition.
I know after a game is used in these events the top score(s) from it often end up matching or overtaking the top 3 that were on the MARP scoreboard prior to the event...even scores that were 2-3 years old.
They got beaten simply because of the event. Without that rom set being used in the event, odds are those older top 3 scores would still be the top 3.
The game of the week seems to not draw much interest but I know if it was for a game I was decent at and my CPU fast enough to play I might try and set a score myself....even though it would never get credit as participation in the event since I play on a mac.
People generally just play. Most of my play is I get a craving for a certain game...so then that night play it some. I often see a new upload for a rom set also which has me think....oh...let me try that and see what I can do.
...so I do and if I can set a top 3 score doing that then I submit it....whether it was part of some event or not. I currently can't participate in any of them without a PC.
You know how many players play in latest tournaments and how they play. It's very sad. 