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In his usg252-02 description Barthax wrote:An archive candidate.

The USG games have been discussed before. I think Buttermaker has done the right thing in pinpointing ONE of the games - Red Dog Poker. It sucks & is very easy. Archive it!!!

Here is another one that is even easier:

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and my Description:

"A funny game, but I think these easy trivias should be archived..."

Let´s find more of those easy usg games and post the links here, so Pat can archive all of those.

Been there before: viewtopic.php?t=10527

Red Dog Poker of the usg252 & the trivia games were the outcome last time by the look of things.

same for that horse betting race thing.

There are a few games in those rom sets that are still good and fair competition so can still be tracked.

...but yeah the pure betting ones and trivia ones should be archived.
It appears like anyone can max the scores on those with enough play and luck.

I also feel the same over some other rom sets that have draw poker or slot machines etc. that are also still tracked.

LN2 wrote:same for that horse betting race thing.

There are a few games in those rom sets that are still good and fair competition so can still be tracked.

...but yeah the pure betting ones and trivia ones should be archived.
It appears like anyone can max the scores on those with enough play and luck.

I also feel the same over some other rom sets that have draw poker or slot machines etc. that are also still tracked.

? Your not being very specific. Nobody has even come close to maxing the Horse Racing games in USG. I don't think this precludes it being archived due to the sheer luck factor, but your english is very vague in this post.

Barthax wrote:? Your not being very specific. Nobody has even come close to maxing the Horse Racing games in USG. I don't think this precludes it being archived due to the sheer luck factor, but your english is very vague in this post.

Anyway, I was thinking of the betting games....where many have maxed at 99,999,999 like Blackjack and Craps and Slots and Red Dog Poker, etc.

A few are tied on the horse racing one at 40 million. is that the max? if not it seems odd a few would be tied at the same score.

I didn't get specific cuz I think ALL of the betting games that involve luck or in a few cases patterned questions or cards etc. should be archived.

Of the betting games, most are only maxed by myself... & there's a good reason for that - it ain't easy. There are still a couple that haven't been maxed at all.

Card games have skill & each arcade game that utilises cards as the main focus has their merits. They may not come close to the amount of skill used in shooters, etc., but they're not a walk-over.

In terms of sheer maxing a title, then there are many other games that would also fall under that blanket.

As for involving luck, there's no surprise there... you shuffle a deck of cards / roll a dice & it's luck. As for archiving a game because luck is involved... that's most games - most of the best games have a random factor. Just because there's more random in these than most games, shouldn't mean they get archived, IMO.

How Buttermaker opened the thread was the best ploy - take each game by it's own merit & decide on that game.

Red Dog Poker should be archived.

Barthax wrote:Of the betting games, most are only maxed by myself... & there's a good reason for that - it ain't easy. There are still a couple that haven't been maxed at all.

Not the ones I listed above. They have at least a few that have maxed the score for each of them.

It's not a question either if it's easy....however, enough attempts and you will get the luck to max the score. it's not about skill at all hardly.

take slots for example. Are you saying you actually have some level of skill in how you press the button to spin it to get matches to max the score? cmon.

yes, there are other games that have some element of luck to them...but they aren't 90-100% based on luck...which these are.

They can be entertaining to a very small degree to play...but to showcase on a scoreboard?

These are not being showcased. The very fact that their merits are being discussed for archive status shows they are not being show cased.

As has happened and, in this thread, attempts at continuance occur, Red Dog Poker has been proven to be of little or no worth. It's merits at challenge and involvement of skill are slight at best. This thread is attempting to remove Red Dog Poker from the scoreboard by altering it's status to archive.

Should such proof of lack of challenge and lack of skill occur with the other games you mention, then I too will champion them for a change of status. This has not occured. Perhaps you may care to take the time to add to this proof, one way or another.

Barthax wrote:As has happened and, in this thread, attempts at continuance occur, Red Dog Poker has been proven to be of little or no worth. It's merits at challenge and involvement of skill are slight at best. This thread is attempting to remove Red Dog Poker from the scoreboard by altering it's status to archive.

oh, and slots is different? I think everyone is equally skilled at inserting coins and pulling a handle. Where is the display of skill?

Should such proof of lack of challenge and lack of skill occur with the other games you mention, then I too will champion them for a change of status. This has not occured.

Sure it has...I listed a few more above.
I don't need to start a new thread for each of them to challenge them to be archived.

I think the entire set of games in the usg sets needs to be reviewed(not just red dog) and archive any that don't really require any skill to get a high or max score on...but just repeated play and luck! There are many others besides the Red Dog Poker.

It also doesn't require many to have max scores to say reaching a max score is pretty pointless where skill matters very little if at all. It's not like tons have played these games. Others like me, see they are pointless so don't bother submitted scores for them. I only submitted scores for a couple that do have some element to gaming skill to play.

Yes, for something like craps or roulette you maybe could argue there is some skill in strategy for placing bets etc. but cmon...we aren't talking where you have unlimited time and rolls to build up a bank. You have very few chances so you are just going to go for it with the longest shot odds over and over until you finally hit it! There is no skill in doing that.

Well, let's see... I agree with many of your points. I'm not going to argue with them any more. This thread was created to archive Red Dog Poker, not all of the games together. Archiving them all was attempted before & it got bogged down & eventually ignored. The same is happening with this thread.

Red Dog Poker, usg252-02, needs to be archived.

well, that was sort of what I was thinking. There had been a previous thread asking to archive many of these usg games.

It would spam up the forums really quickly though if we have a separate thread discussion to archive each that should be archived. Most are obvious enough I personally don't think any poll is needed either. There just is no leve of competition on many of those games.

It goes beyond just that 1 rom set also. There are a handful of usg rom sets that have these games in common.

Based on the comments from the two threads, I've decided to archive several games. I believe nothing was archived previously to allow time to pass and determine how things would shake out. Turns out several games now have maxed out scores for both 1st and 2nd places...this to me represents completely mastery of the game regardless of time invested to reach that level of play. It may have taken 1 hr or 1 month, and does not matter as others will come along and repeat.

Basically, the lone Red Dog, BlackJack, Craps, Slots and Trivia are all going to be archived... Here is the list:

usg185-03 -> *usg185-03 "Games V18.7C [Blackjack]"
usg185-04 -> *usg185-04 "Games V18.7C [Craps]"
usg185-07 -> *usg185-07 "Games V18.7C [U.S. Slots]"
usg185-11 -> *usg185-11 "Games V18.7C [Sports Trivia]"
usg185-12 -> *usg185-12 "Games V18.7C [Mixology Trivia]"
usg185-13 -> *usg185-13 "Games V18.7C [USA Trivia]"
usg185-14 -> *usg185-14 "Games V18.7C [Entertainment]"
usg185-15 -> *usg185-15 "Games V18.7C [Sex Trivs 1 2 3]"
usg252-02 -> *usg252-02 "Games V25.4X [Red Dog Poker]"
usg252-03 -> *usg252-03 "Games V25.4X [Blackjack]"
usg252-04 -> *usg252-04 "Games V25.4X [Craps]"
usg252-05 -> *usg252-05 "Games V25.4X [Chariot Race]"
usg252-06 -> *usg252-06 "Games V25.4X [U.S. Slots]"
usg252-11 -> *usg252-11 "Games V25.4X [Ten Game Trivia]"
usg32-bj -> *usg32-bj "Super Duper Casino (California V3.2) [U.S. Blackjack]"
usg32-dp -> *usg32-dp "Super Duper Casino (California V3.2) [Draw Poker]"
usg32-st -> *usg32-st "Super Duper Casino (California V3.2) [Sexual Trivia]"
usg83-st -> *usg83-st "Super Ten V8.3 [Sports Triv]"
usg83x-st -> *usg83x-st "Super Ten V8.3X [Sports Triv]"

Maybe you can add usg185-05 (chariot race) as you had archived chariot race in usg252 ?