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I see that most sports games of this sort have special rules - that a full game is played, and the score is 100 - score difference.

However, Pigskin 621AD, while being a football-like game, does not have these special rules. I was wondering if there was a reason not to use such scoring, or if nobody has gotten around to changing it yet?

Also - if gone that route, might it be part of the rules that advance mode is required, and that you have to select the Troll Bowl when offered the opportunity during the game? If MARP is about showing the best game playing, then anything but playing in this manner is not challenging enough and would allow easier and higher scores in the process.

evil angela wrote:I see that most sports games of this sort have special rules - that a full game is played, and the score is 100 - score difference.

Can you give an example? I don't understand.

The following:

viewtopic.php?t=10332

viewtopic.php?t=10231

viewtopic.php?t=10268

seem to pretty well spell out general MARP philosophy in these matters.

BTW, I played this game on the Genesis and had no idea it was an arcade game.

"Troll!...Troll!....Troll!.....Troll!"

OK, maybe not the 100 - score difference thing. I guess I was thinking of other games or something like that.

Regardless, I was under the impression it should be full-game scoring. The second thread you link to indicates as much - a vote passed in support of full game scoring. And all three support full-game scoring.

But there are no special rules indicating Pigskin is scored as such. So I would assume that the scores currenly in MARP are for 1 credit play.

It seems to me that scoring this game would make a lot more sense if it were full games.

Didn't know it was an arcade game? Hehe - I played it a lot when it was new. I was also like one of the few people ever playing the machine. Odd, because I thought it was quite fun - and challenging when you get the Troll Bowl.

Since this thread has been quiet, I want to ask again...

Why does Pigskin - a football-like sports game - not have full game play and difference scoring? Does it not count as a football game for purposes of the vote in thread #2 above, and require its own vote?

I'm just thinking it's rather silly to have replays here that only concern themselves with the first 2 minutes of the game, instead of the full 14 minute game. Besides, luck just becomes WAY too much a factor in achieving top scores in the 2 minute period.

actually i think this IS a football scoring game and should be scored as a full game, it proly just got overlooked? anyone else agree?

evil_angela wrote:Why does Pigskin - a football-like sports game - not have full game play and difference scoring?

I would guess that it is because no one has submitted a recording for it since that vote was passed. Chad even mentions in that thread that he doesn't think any action needs to be taken on the previous scores as they should get supplanted by the higher full-game scores.

As I recall the second half of this game was played indoors, the first half having been played outdoors, so playing with 1 credit - 2 minutes you wouldn't even get to play on the indoor court.

As far as I'm concerned you would be justified in playing a whole game and submitting your score as the difference in points. State in the description that you have done that, and cite the thread's url address:

viewtopic.php?t=10231

If you are concerned about the lack of of a Special Rule link to verify this, ***PL***, Pat Laffaye would be the one to check with.

I would lead the way, but I'm afraid playing a whole game still wouldn't leave me scoring enough to place highly (if I even won). I remember the game being worth some laughs, but not something I would want to spend a lot of time on.

And I see Chad agrees.

Go for it, chiX0r.

Yeah if it is a football game I see no reason why not to use the football rules I´ll go with Chad on this issue.

QRS

Ok, thanks guys...

I submitted a replay for a full game, though it took me a few tries to beat the top score while still playing in the only really challenging mode - the Troll Bowl. Still managed to beat them 171-90, though it wasn't easy. Those bastards are tough, and now my fingers are sore.

Now I just have to hope nobody goes the chicken route and decides to play the easy mode just to get a higher score.

evil_angela wrote:Ok, thanks guys...

I submitted a replay for a full game, though it took me a few tries to beat the top score while still playing in the only really challenging mode - the Troll Bowl. Still managed to beat them 171-90, though it wasn't easy. Those bastards are tough, and now my fingers are sore.

Now I just have to hope nobody goes the chicken route and decides to play the easy mode just to get a higher score.

Well there's nothing stopping anyone from doing that, unless it is deemed in the special rules that only Troll Bowl is allowed for difficulty.

But I'm hip to the groove you're on here.


Kelly

I know there's nothing stopping anyone, that's what I'm currently afraid of.

Is it worth it to see if I can get the rules changed to require Pro/Troll Bowl play for all submitted scores, so nobody upstages me with a weenie 300+ point win on easy mode?

evil_angela wrote:I know there's nothing stopping anyone, that's what I'm currently afraid of.

Is it worth it to see if I can get the rules changed to require Pro/Troll Bowl play for all submitted scores, so nobody upstages me with a weenie 300+ point win on easy mode?

Hmm, is easy mode easier and allow you to geta higher score?

it's not like Pigskin is new to being supported in MAME. Scores go back a way and yet you easily were able to set a new high score using the Troll Bowl.

if others had just used easy I would think the scores would have been higher than what you so quickly got cuz odds are at least a couple of those other scores are perhaps using easy.

I'll have to try this game in MAME to see how scoring varies versus the bowl used. Perhaps there actually is a greater scoring potential at the Troll Bowl level.

All of that needs to be checked out prior to setting up special rules requiring Troll Bowl.

I tried numerous times to even match the 2 minute high score on Pro mode, and was unable to do it, even without the troll bowl. I probably could have eventually, as it was just a matter of doing things just about perfect over the 2 minute span - I had a 45-0 lead after two minutes of play in one of my full games played today. Then the trolls got going, and things changed.

There is no difference in potential scoring between the modes - each TD is 6 points, and the same amount of time with possession is required to get the bonus point. And the game lasts the same amount of time.

What is different?

Beginner mode has 5 players on a team. I don't think the troll handicap is applied here, though it might be. And troll bowl is not offered.

Pro mode has 6 players on a team. I think the AI is a little tougher, though not by much. You do get troll handicaps given to teams. And if you're leading by enough, you get offered the troll bowl.

(A troll handicap is when one of the team's regular players is replaced by a troll, usually done when you're winning by a good, but not a huge margin. If you fall down too far, you'll get one on your team)

Troll Bowl, which only can be played in pro mode (press the 1P start button when it dares you to). All of the opposing team, other than their QB, is replaced with trolls. Trolls are stronger and faster, and the tactics you can use to deal with the regular players don't usually work on them.

I would suspect that I could sit down and play 1 game on easy mode, and easily beat the other team by a much larger point margin than in the game I uploaded, just due to the opponents being easier to deal with. I'd suspect I could put together a 150+ point margin of victory without a problem.

To give you an idea how much more of a challenge the all-troll team gives, consider that I was able to put together a 40 point lead by 2 minutes into the game repeatedly (up by 45 at that point one game). I was barely able to double that while playing for an additional 12 minutes, because that 12 minutes was entirely against the all-troll team.

Sorry for making an issue out of this game that doesn't seem to get played much here, but it's been one I've enjoyed a lot from when I first played it at the arcades, and I want the scores on the list here to be ones played with the best challenge the game has to offer, to make sure they're worthwhile watching and competing against.

And I will bow down to someone who can pull off a 150+ victory against those damn trolls!

No, the issue is perfectly, valid. I just wanted to here how playing Pro mode then accepting the Troll Bowl differed from not accepting the Troll Bowl or just using Beginner mode.

I guess I'll have to play it some myself....although I think it seems obviously enough in this case with previous discussions and polls for sports games that this one falls under those also without needing a new poll.

Given you can still pretty handily defeat even the trolls, it seems that is what should be done by all...play pro mode and accept the Troll Bowl when offered.

You know, for all your talk about "weenie" things, I find breaking the game's MARP scoring rules and uploading your recording before anything official has been decided to be kinda "weenie".

51 points, baby. That recording took a lot of tries, and by God, the only way someone could possible better it would be to get another extra point. Otherwise, it's as good as it gets.