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Another week, another poll. I don't know what's acceptable on here really, but I only get bothered about stuff i play (and since the massive tar leeching thing) leeching heheh... call me a hypocrite, i can only learn and change my views....

Ok revenge of doh, round 5 leeching. I dont think there's been a poll on this, so basically should it be banned?

people can argue that it doesnt happen every game and therefore should be allowed, but at the end of the day we're not playing in an arcade and thus not losing lots of money trying to get the leech....

The leech works like this :

On (right) round 5, you get the neverdie N capsule, which means as long as one ball out of 3 is in play the lone ball turns into 3 again until you lose a ball then the balls respawn. ie you always have 3 balls, whether you return the ball or not.

On level 5, it's possible, a lot of the time, to trap your ball at the top of the screen (getting 100 points every time a ball collides with an indestructable 'monster') whilst having this never die capsule active.

This means players with very little skill at the game can sit there and get HUGE points (one inp got past 1million points by here alone, the normal is prolly more like 200k, getting every bonus) and lots of bonus lives (you get a life every 150k after the initial one at 50k) and thus progresss far into the game without actually being that good or warranting the score they've achieved.

I think some amount of leeching should be acceptable - you gotta bear in mind that sometimes you cant help it for a while. Until the first ball comes down, at which time, in theory, you can finish the level with the lone ball.

So the votes above, it should make a lil sense to those that play, and well.... VOTE

Adi

would you care to give URL(s) for sample inps of this? This is normally "required" for any poll.

We need to see an example before voting just to see how bad it is.

Your wording explains it pretty well but it's a lot more informative seeing it in real gameplay.

I think this is truly another case though where only EDITORS should be able to create polls. We could have discussed this some then an editor make a poll that would resolve the issue. This poll likely won't resolve anything.

First, requirements for a special rule require 2/3rds or at least 66% of the vote for that special rule to be made.

You have way too many options here so it's unlikely any option will get 2/3rds. Nothing will change as a result of how you structured this poll.

The first 3 choices you have are legitimate choices....the last few aren't.

This clearly isn't intentional leeching you really have much control over like most other leeching techniques banned at MARP.

Again agree with LN2. (poll <-> editor)

http://marp.retrogames.com/inp/6/b/1/qr ... m37b16.zip - qrs struggling to stop leeching

I knew about the 2/3 thing... and yeah seeing as no one has voted for the latter options i've deleted em

s'only a game anywaaaaay

LN2 wrote:First, requirements for a special rule require 2/3rds or at least 66% of the vote for that special rule to be made.

This came up in a previous thread, and none of the staff ever confirmed that a 2/3 majority would be needed in a case like this.

The rules just state that a 2/3 majority is required when changing a standing rule. I wouldn't agree that this was the situation here. I think a simple majority (or plurality in the case of more than one choice) should be sufficient.

And, apparently, the institution of some special rules doesn't require any vote at all.

LN2 wrote:....only EDITORS should be able to create polls.

That would probably be for the best. Perhaps someone should get the ball rolling for a vote on that.

D=3
must effort to finish???I think it is nonsence.
"Fail" make higher score.


There are Much better ideas.
BAN TO CHOICE RIGHT COURSE AT STAGE 5.


"Only editors"can make poll is very good idea.if they has enough knowledge.
I hate scream of ignorance/stupid guys.
Editors must posess better knowledges than I.
If they do,then I will agree.

Novice wrote:"Only editors"can make poll is very good idea.

Yes. I agree.

Hehe it is actually true! I really tried to stop the leeching on stage 5 on my recording. Often it only works a few 100 k´s though.

Except the leeching, I´m very pleased with that arkanoid 2 recording of mine. I sort of "went into the zone" and reached very far and played very good after that. I DO agree with that we must do something about the leeching though, and if it comes to a ban or something I´ll gladly delete my recording. I didn´t want the leeching back in T4 either

Anyway, hard to make choices forrules in this game...

Looking at the poll choices:

"If it happens, players must make every effort to end the level asap"

I don´t think that is a good idea. For proof you can watch my recording. Sometimes you can´t stop, even if you want too! We will have arguments about not stoping as soon as possible etc..


"If it happens, let it happen, unlimited score"
That´s the default so to speak.. and we want to change that right?

"Ban it outright - recorder should restart their game if it happens.."

That rule works actually. Sort of a good idead to stop the leeching.

One of my own ideas earlier:

"Just take all the points - from stage 5 from your score"

Doesn´t work as good as I first though You end up with too many extramen to be fair to other players. Even if you take away the score.

The best choice so far is Hisa Chans statement.
As you can always go left/right at the end of every level, I suggest that we just ban "right" from stage 4 so you can´t end up on stage 5!

Then you don´t have to start a game over and over if you happen to get into the leeching spot etc.

Just my two cents.

Novice wrote:D=3
"Only editors"can make poll is very good idea.if they has enough knowledge.
I hate scream of ignorance/stupid guys.
Editors must posess better knowledges than I.
If they do,then I will agree.

Gimme a break. In your eyes everyone in the world is ignorant and stupid. There is a huge difference between knowing everything...as you think you obviously do...versus having REQUIRED knowledge to be able to properly judge an issue and create a poll and/or vote on it.

I always cast my vote in the interests of GAMING and competition...not my personal preference.

I think in this case though it's really difficult to judge except in obvious cases if someone intentionally is continuing a leech versus just accidentally hitting the ball right back up to the area when it first "escapes" so it gets stuck up there again...which is the only time you would have the option to do anything.

Can you always tell if they made an "effort" to hit the ball a different direction then just fail to do it a couple times versus intentionally hitting it back up there? I think in this case sometimes you can...sometimes you can't.

So then you have made it a very subjective thing in the eyes of a confirmer or anyone watching the inp. 4 might watch it and see no problem yet an 5th watching it might think you didn't make every effort to avoid it or get out of it. It creates a gray-area in the rules which isn't good IMHO.

I'm not going to cast a vote in this one.

The way I have done polls if it's not obvious is to first just start a normal thread and then after 4-5 days see how the discussion is to see if a poll is even necessary. In many cases you might see not many are in favor of what you might be suggesting so it's not worth voting on anyway. If there is enough interest and good discussion where it seems worthy of a poll then I edit the thread I created and add a poll.

Plus, you actually get some discussion done BEFORE voting.

I think many see a poll and just cast their vote without even reading the thread. Given for most polls we are only talking 15-25 votes, even a few casting a vote based on their personal politics on general issues without even looking at the specific case is enough to totally screw up a poll result. It's a shame and nothing we can really control I guess.

dksys demonstrated this very well in that leeching poll this past week. He voted on something he felt about that wasn't even related to that specific game leeching issue and didn't even watch the inp or read the thread before casting the vote. That is miscasting your vote.

Bring back Barrys' Stupid Poll....thats what I say !


AL

DEFCON=4

LN2 wrote:

Novice wrote:D=3
"Only editors"can make poll is very good idea.if they has enough knowledge.
I hate scream of ignorance/stupid guys.
Editors must posess better knowledges than I.
If they do,then I will agree.

Gimme a break. In your eyes everyone in the world is ignorant and stupid.

No!No!No!!
most of marpers are respectable.
Macmame cheater is one of the very few exception.

Novice wrote:DEFCON=4
No!No!No!!
most of marpers are respectable.
Macmame cheater is one of the very few exception.

You demonstrate my case very well.

Macs are more popular per capita in Japan than they are here in the USA...so find a neighbor with a G3 or G4 and watch some of my inps already.

QT Quazar has access to a mac sometimes and has confirmed a couple of my inps. Hopefully eventually he would get to do the others.

There are actually a good number of others I have submitted here that should play back in pcmame ok...so you are welcome to watch those. Also almost all of my confirmed scores are for games where the macmame inp is compatible with pcmame...so watch some of those also...like Nibbler perhaps.

I'm sure even then you will still show total disrespect toward me. It's your nature.

I read your "DEFCON" as really a level of defecate control....just how much crap you are dishing out at any time.

This place is so nice and friendly during the few months at a time you disappear....then you return and start screwing around with people again for some sick form of entertainment.

Why is this poll still open for voting? I have not cast a vote for this poll so I can see it's still open.

This poll was started 2 weeks ago....end it.