Pooyans---infinite leeching technique

[LN2]

I just watched the first place score of 1,000,000 for Pooyans to confirm.

http://marp.retrogames.com/inp/kys_pooy ... _mac36.zip

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According to the below this inp is compatible with mame32-v36 so watch it to see exactly what is going on. My description below although detailed just doesn't give you an idea of just how bad this leech is until you see it.

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It's a macmame inp so unless compatible with PC mame you all won't be able to watch this....so let me try and describe as best I can what he does in this game. I think this following technique is very similar to techniques for many games that MARP has banned. I think this technique should be banned also. I'll turn this into a poll if necessary after a little feedback from others here.

90+% of his score is by using a leeching technique that requires just a little bit of skill to setup and once setup requires no skill at all really to leeching for a long time.

He did a little leeching in rounds 1 and 2 but the big leech came in round 3. Shoot all but 2 wolves...now let them pass a couple times so 4 wolves fill up on the ladder trying to reach your family of pigs.

Ok, once you do this only 1 of the 2 remaining wolves will be falling down at a time. Oddly that wolf doesn't climb up the ladder to "kill" you...but just returns to the top...over and over and over forever...for 10-15 passes the wolf fires 1 shot at you...where you can be sitting in 1 spot between the wolves on the ladder. You can fairly easily shoot his shot at you...after about 10-15 times, where he falls down changes position and the wolf no longer fires at you. There is now absolutely no threat of you dying in this round.

Ok, here is the leech...once you have that setup...not all that hard to do... a pink wolf at the top is dropping strawberries which you can shoot for 200 points each. The supply of those strawberries is endless. All you have to do is be careful not to shoot down that falling wolf but shoot just the strawberries.

This player in round 3 amassed about 700k from doing this in just round 3. He then accidentally shot that wolf so that round ended. He then played round 4 normally...losing a couple lives....then played round 5 losing a few lives however once again setup the scenario of shooting all but 2 wolves and letting the ladder fillup...then leeching points off shooting the strawberries.

He screwed up again shooting the wolf but then set it up again in round 7 and stopped when he reached exactly 1 million points.

This playing technique is as bad as a degree of leeching as any game has. The total game time was about 2 hours to 2 hours, 15 minutes..of which about 10-15 minutes was actually playing the game while the rest of the time was sitting in that spot leeching points off the strawberries.

I have not watched either of the PC inps to see if they do something like this.

However, I think this leeching is very cheap and not really requiring much skill to setup and should be banned.

If it would help others I can take a few screenshots or even perhaps try and make a 5-15 second movie showing the leech...which you then could just imagine that going on for 2 hours. Just let me know.

You get 200 points per strawberry. He likely got around 900k of his score from strawberries. That would be 4,500 strawberries!

So whatcha think?

[Francois Daniel]

You get 200 points per strawberry. He likely got around 900k of his score from strawberries. That would be 4,500 strawberries!

So whatcha think?

I can't seen the inp because I've no mac but this trick seem excellent.

Jus for said I'm not against leeching technics. I consider stage reach is more important than score. So, if we find something for stages was counted, we can accept any leeching. The best player was the one who reach the farest stage with the most points

I know, its very difficult to apply But we made it in jvrm without add any points on any score

For this one, it seem its not so easy because the player lost some lives in the process.

Francois

[mahlemiut]

I'm pretty sure BenJos mentioned this some time ago. I think that inp will playback fine on x86-based MAMEs.

It's a good cure for insomnia, though.

[Chad]

this inp playsback perfectly with mame32 36, pretty lame leeching... but hay they've got stamina...

[LN2]

yes, but you can see it's just a lame contest of endurance shooting the strawberries versus skill playing the game.

The above replies say nothing as to whether this spoils the game so is a technique that should be banned or allowed.

Based on other precedents here at MARP it should be banned cuz there are several other games with similar early stage leech tricks that are banned here at MARP.

It would be arbitrary for me or anyone else to set a 2 million score using this leech technique.

It would be different if there was a time limit for each round so the leeching was limited each round. Leeching in games with time limits is generally allowed here. However, it's not for other games that have no time limit where you can stay on a stage forever.

I wouldn't even mind it if it required great skill to survive in the stage and there was a real threat to losing a life...but as you see once setup there is no threat at all to your life where you don't even have to move...just shoot at the strawwberries and miss the balloon.

[piot]

For this one, it seem its not so easy because the player lost some lives in the process.

Not when leeching, LN2 said during the "real" play.

[LN2]

For this one, it seem its not so easy because the player lost some lives in the process.

Not when leeching, LN2 said during the "real" play.

Exactly..all his lives were lost when playing the round normally...not when doing this leeching.

He screwed up at like 750k on round 3 by shooting that wolf so then he had to play round 4 "for real" cuz that round doesn't have the strawberries to leech with. He lost a few men on rnd 4...then a couple more on rnd 5 just to get to the last 2 wolves left to setup and do the leech again.

Francois, watch that inp...according to the above it is compatible with mame32-version 0.36 so watch it yourself.

There is about a 1 hour, 45 minute section where he never moves...just shoots the strawberries.

[Novice]

No against opinion.
Lame game may have lame solvation.
Some games require skill to be champion.somegames require knowledge.
some games require luck. somegames may require endless Perseverance, effort or concentration.

I do not want to do it.
Then champion is his. not interesting about LAME game's top.
is opinion of normal human. and I think so.


and Do you know what is the most boring play of all game history??
HINTS:
1 must do 230+ times the work of tracing fixed locus.(after stage 21)
2 1 stage is 12600 points. not more than. not less than. and require 3+ hours for this work
3 one of the Top 5 best seller of all game history.

I can not find any difference.
LAME game has LAME answer. no problem I think.

[LN2]

just making the thread current again so people notice it's a POLL now.

Please view the inp if you haven't already and vote.

[Chad]

Do you really a "champion" of a game is determined by the one that finds a trick where you can gain infinite points? If so then there will be too many champions of equal stature. A champion is a person who can master ALL aspects and ALL LEVELS of a game not just one. This is a trick anyone can do and anyone can not be a champion. This person does show a good knowledge but not mastery of the whole game...

and btw, just because you phrase the question in the opposite direction doesn't mean this only requires 34% of the no votes to pass the "allow" rule, but i think pat will clear that up with newly phrased rule text.

[LN2]

I understand Chad, but in my experience a question phrased in a positive manner is more clearly understood.

Many often phrase questions in a negative manner which for some that aren't that great with English I often wonder if they misread the question and vote the wrong way.

Thx for your above input BTW. The aspect of a "champion" there or an expert at the game is clearly stated by you.

I also went over some games I knew had similar leech "tricks" and found several examples where the technique is already banned.

[LN2]

Poll complete...let's please zero that inp then and add the special rule to ban this infinite leech technique.