[poll canceled]New rule, using multiple button mapping

[TRB_MetroidTeam]

I note in the WCC forum that Phil has opined:

...as there isn't YET any rule against that on Marp, I'm forced to allow such inputs for WCC.

I disagree strenuously. As I have already pointed out, the type of mapping at issue here, in my opinion, is already in violation of current rules.

Hey, it is concerning myself, in parts... I am not sure, but the player used it on DETATWIN and DBZ2... if it really disallowed (and Phil think the same concerning his WCC5), it would change some places and scores at WCC5 (but not change final results, final ranking... fortunately).

One doubt... if something is disallowed on general MARP, it directly is disallowed on WCC??? I think YES, bacause it is different than JTC's GEGOTW (particular competition).

[destructor]

If you want to new poll then maybe better made normal topic where each will write:
"yes, I want to add new rule" or "no, I don't want to add new rule", and add MARP nick in post.
Then we will see who really vote.

[Phil Lamat]

I note in the WCC forum that Phil has opined:

...as there isn't YET any rule against that on Marp, I'm forced to allow such inputs for WCC.

I disagree strenuously. As I have already pointed out, the type of mapping at issue here, in my opinion, is already in violation of current rules.

Hey, it is concerning myself, in parts... I am not sure, but the player used it on DETATWIN and DBZ2... if it really disallowed (and Phil think the same concerning his WCC5), it would change some places and scores at WCC5 (but not change final results, final ranking... fortunately).

One doubt... if something is disallowed on general MARP, it directly is disallowed on WCC??? I think YES, bacause it is different than JTC's GEGOTW (particular competition).

Even if I play 99% of time with keyboard, as I said before I'm not really for mapping.
Concerning WCC : yes, something disallowed on general MARP is disallowed on WCC ; but no, mapping isn't disallow FOR THE MOMENT by any rule on Marp ; regarding that, I don't agree with JTC and I feel forced to allow mapped inp, as I don't want to change rules of a tournament while it's running

[dan]

Can Special rule be made if using multiple button mapping and there is a game that becomes very advantageous?

[The TJT]

Can Special rule be made if using multiple button mapping and there is a game that becomes very advantageous?

Yes.

[TRB_MetroidTeam]

Concerning WCC : yes, something disallowed on general MARP is disallowed on WCC ; but no, mapping isn't disallow FOR THE MOMENT by any rule on Marp ; regarding that, I don't agree with JTC and I feel forced to allow mapped inp, as I don't want to change rules of a tournament while it's running

I know you tried to to best choice for the moment... if you can avoid change rules during tournaments, better... and nothing sure still now. However, I disagree with don't changed the rules from TRALLY calculation... (yes... I know TJT decided it, like you, but I disagree). If you recalculate, you will say ranking changes, concerning myself and the next player (Nanni, if memory serves)... okok... I just want to say IF RULES NEED TO BE CHANGED DURING COMPETITIONS, IT MAY DO!

IMO, the TRALLY scores would may change the system (yes.. I will lost position, but it is the correct).

[TRB_MetroidTeam]

Sorry for the off-topic!!!

About mapping buttons/keys... after reading the posts, I am thinking is very better to DISALLOW ALL THE MAPPING (except really necessary situations, like MK, that an "special rules" easily solve the problem).

NO MAPPING... AND PLAY IT LIKE THE ARCADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The TJT]

New poll, hopefully better one HERE....

[destructor]

New poll, hopefully better one HERE....

In new poll I vote only. Here I want say one more thing.
About option 1 in new poll:
I have notebook and use for it 2 keyboards. First is default in notebook, second external. In first keyboard my cursors are damaged, on second "Q" key is damaged (I use Q,W,E or W,E,R for buttons) and I define in wolf:

UP - cursor UP or I
DOWN - cursor down or K
LEFT - cursor left or J
RIGHT - cursor right or L
Button1 - Q or W
Button2 - ....

On first keyboard I use letters for move and buttons from key "Q", on second I use cursors buttons from key "W". This look as mapping but I never use these buttons at once.
I use 2 keyboards on the same PC because one from it is better for some games and second for other games (keys have different high).
It's very confused to define keys at every change keyboard. For me better is define one for forever.
I often define buttons on different keys for one keyboard too, but don't use these at once. I use it because one time is better for me firing with "Q", second is better "W". Why? Sometimes my keys on keyboard don't work properly after for example 200 hits.
Sometimes I have defined more than 2 keys for one button, but never use them at one time.
Is it OK if new rule will be added? It's very confused if not.

PS. Second example if I one time use joy and secnd time keyboard.

Maybe I'm wrong?

Sorry for english.

[EDIT]
OK. I see that using joy and keyboard is OK. But what if I have defined more than 1 key on keyboard for one button but don't use them at one time.

PS. What know "one time"? One games, one minute or so?

[The TJT]

Sometimes I have defined more than 2 keys for one button, but never use them at one time.
Is it OK if new rule will be added? It's very confused if not.

Yes it's allowed if rule 1. gets added(YES):

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Example2: You map 2 buttons and joystick to hypersports running buttons...you use joystick at all events, except at skeets you use buttons.(you don't use joystick and buttons same time) ---ok

Hard to say it better...Same thing:
I use 2 buttons for running at T&F, BUT I use joystick for running at highjump(joystick much better for HJ)....
I don't use them same time, getting unhuman speed.
(In my opinion game should be played using only buttons, but Italian players think joystick is the only way. You can't really see from an inp if it was played with joy or buttons)

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Example3: At Tron you use analog joystick for movement, but at lightcycles you use keyboard ---ok 

This is essentially same thing as Example2
Nowadays, I play Tron exactly as at arcade...But before I played it using Gravis analog joystick, the joystick was bad for lightcycles, so I played the lightcycles using keyboard.(and I didn't feel doing wrong a bit) I put this example, cause thought there might be similar need at other games.
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Kuba, If rule 1. and 2. get added, it should be clear without saying that macros are not allowed.

[TRB_MetroidTeam]

I often define buttons on different keys for one keyboard too, but don't use these at once. I use it because one time is better for me firing with "Q", second is better "W". Why? Sometimes my keys on keyboard don't work properly after for example 200 hits.
Sometimes I have defined more than 2 keys for one button, but never use them at one time.
Is it OK if new rule will be added? It's very confused if not.

PS. Second example if I one time use joy and secnd time keyboard.

Interesting question(s) Destructor.
My default config I use directionals at:
- UP, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT ARROWS;
- W, S, A, D (like Counter-Strike);
- Joypad UP, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT (I use Sega Saturn joypad, American version)
And buttons (button 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6):
- 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3;
- Joypad X, Y, Z, A, B, C.

It is not really needed... my main control is using the joypad... but one time, playing DETATWIN, the LEFT command failed on joypad (partial disconnection of the paralel slot), so I quickly jumped to my kboard and continued. However I never used both at the same time.

[MJS]

I often define buttons on different keys for one keyboard too, but don't use these at once. I use it because one time is better for me firing with "Q", second is better "W". Why? Sometimes my keys on keyboard don't work properly after for example 200 hits.
Sometimes I have defined more than 2 keys for one button, but never use them at one time.
Is it OK if new rule will be added? It's very confused if not.

The new rules would not allow you to remap as "Q or W" but would allow you to remap as "Q xor W".
Now I'm not sure if MAME has this logical operator... either way it is the same as "(Q not W) or (W not Q)".
Has anybody ever tried this?

PS. you shouldn't have voted if you were confused

[Pegasus]

The new rules would not allow you to remap as "Q or W" but would allow you to remap as "Q xor W".

I think that's wrong . You would be allowed to map several keys to one button, as long as you don't use them at the same time to gain, say, very fast firing speeds.

[MJS]

I think that's wrong . You would be allowed to map several keys to one button, as long as you don't use them at the same time to gain, say, very fast firing speeds.

Err... precisely! ...or am I missing something???

[Pegasus]

As far as I understood, it really wouldn't matter if you press them at the exact same time or not. You simply shouln't use them on purpose simultaneously...

So if you use A-S-D-F all as your fire-buttons and hack away at them, rule1 is violated.

OTOH you could map your fire-button to Left-Ctrl and Right-Ctrl, and the directions to the arrow-keys and A-S-D-W. Then use either your left or right hand for firing (->Left-Ctrl or Right-Ctrl). That's ok

It doesn't matter how many keys you have mapped, only how many you are using at the same time .