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Ok, so you're playing your favourite beat-em-up, you need to use a special move, performed by pushing two buttons together. If you have a single key to do this, are you not virtually eliminating any possible error in performing the move, making the game that much easier. Making it easier for yourself over others is fair for those others?BlackTMH wrote:Mapping the same key to do two different actions at the same time isn't cheating.
Ok... you have said that more than 10 times now.. here is something for you to think about:BlackTMH wrote:Mapping the same key to do two different actions at the same time isn't cheating.
My vote (I dont know if this pool is locked or not!!!): The rules need to be added. NO... no one type of mapping would be allowed!LordGaz wrote:* Allow any kind of key remapping Y/N. If yes then ignore the rest.
* Allow mapping of 1 function to many keys Y/N
* Allow mapping of many functions to one key Y/N
* Allow mapping of one key for diagonals Y/N
* Allow mapping of Up and Jump to one key for platform games Y/N
* Allow mapping of simultaneous key presses to one key at the special ship selection screen like Raiden Fighters
* Disallow multimapping for fighter games Y/N
* Deal on case by case basis Y/N, eg. Crazy Climber, Assault, Track & Field, Battlezone.
* Some games have multifunction keymapping built into the emulation. Eg. Battlezone, Defender. Allow those? Y/N
I bought my keyboard for 10 $ (that's 3 u$s) and it registers more keypresses than you'll ever need. It's an old BTC-53 (one of those with the 'macro' key).BlackTMH wrote:They says "buy better keyboard" or arcade stick. My keyboard cost $10, very good keyboard cost in pl even $55 [256 MB that's more requaired for my PC costs $30, i haven't money even for that] Even when I buy very good keyboard i haven't certitude that keboard hasn't key-collisions. I haven't chanse to test it before buying.
If you have an advantage with better equipment.. so be it.. it is the same everywhere in life. Old car, new car etc.. There is no point to make up for that by cheating (which IMHO mapping two buttons to one and vice verse is)
Well said.Pegasus wrote:It is a good thing to prevent abuse, still tolerance is a wise thing, too. I say it should be judged if there is unfair advantage by double-mapping. Make special rules.
Nice toysIf you want big advantage get a Happ's Competition Joystick 8-way with a SlikStik stainless steel handle!
But SlikStick have sick prices. I can build own complette arcade controller, and his price will be near $65 [1 joy, 6+2 buttons, USB connection].Yeah, difficult to see any real advantage gained. For fighting-games and beat'em ups - in every game where you can pull off different moves by pushing two buttons at the exact same time, agreed that it's a small advantage. Nothing that a master on these games should be worried about, though.But if it were up to me, I would let them remap whatever they want... I don't think you can gain much advantage from it.
So do you think if the rule gets through, it should be zeroed? While I really don't care about the rule, IMHO that would be a bad side-effect.One more thing, I have done a check on two of WRX2's Xevious inps (xeviousb and xeviousc), and yes it seems quite clear now, through some testing, that they do use both buttons mapped to one key.
You do understand that if it were zeroed, the recording would still be there, it would merely have a score of zero?Pegasus wrote:So do you think if the rule gets through, it should be zeroed? While I really don't care about the rule, IMHO that would be a bad side-effect.
Yes, I knew that. But its value would be somewhat diminished. Personally I never download zeroed inps, but that's of little importance here.You do understand that if it were zeroed, the recording would still be there, it would merely have a score of zero?
. Personally I would turn a blind eye on it...](./images/smilies/eusa_wall.gif "Brick wall"){kind=small}
Horrified as I was by the size of the "no" contingent, it wouldn't be right to cancel the poll when it was going poorly and uncancel it when it starts to go well.The TJT wrote:I see situation being 16-14 for new rules(even though "cancelled"). Do you guys feel we need still new polls...if yes side wins?
It's not so easy to do the right thing here. Maybe right would be to make new polls since promised...but the pain making new poll and hearing same comments over again
These are only general rules, that can be override by game specific general rules, at awkward cases.
Blind eye...possible...but I can't really say that, can I...
I disagree strenuously. As I have already pointed out, the type of mapping at issue here, in my opinion, is already in violation of current rules. Since there is obviously different interpretive opinon however, we need to make it explicit one way or the other whether this is allowed. "Yes, it's allowed." or "No, it's not allowed."Phil wrote:...as there isn't YET any rule against that on Marp, I'm forced to allow such inputs for WCC.
Thanks for help, that's was the answer I was waiting for. Guess we need a new poll then. My logic to the question was...Poll was "cancelled" because it seemed there was somekind of group voting for no...then if yes would win, would the problem cease to exist...Weehawk wrote: Horrified as I was by the size of the "no" contingent, it wouldn't be right to cancel the poll when it was going poorly and uncancel it when it starts to go well.
Zwaxy has usually been letting marpers decide by themselves, sometimes taking part of the discussion, sometimes not...But I don't recall him really telling marpers what to do.And I would very much like Zwaxy to offer his opinion on the subject, as I feel that to change the rules to allow this type of manipulation not available to a normal user of an arcade machine would be a knife in the very heart of MARP's purpose.
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b. May edit any regulation rule at any time by a majority vote. However, if the general public agreed to a rule in regulation play at any point, the editors must have a 2/3 vote of all editors in order to change.