Outrun

[Novice]

Defcon=1

Blah....
Discussion should be done by "enough worth to discuss".
sorry. I hate stupid.

not want to say same thing so many times.

say "Cheap trick" after you understand that trick is cheap or not.

my "poor" is not always "poor" of yours.
of course my"best" is not always "good" of yours.
just the difference of the height of bar.

current my favorite is kiki-kaikai.
I scored less than half of QRS/BBH, but that is my best play.

and one more thing.
I played outrun at least 5000 times on actual machine.
#play 10times everyday for 1year is 3650. I certain I have played much more.
LN2 had better say that trick as "cheap" after master that trick.

LN2 is not worth to discuss.
no skill,no intelligence,no effort and no knowledge.=worthless.
just blame other player's play. do you have a fun,LN2?
congratulations.

[BBH]

about Kiki Kai Kai, I think that's a good thing to see from you, Hisa. If you're having fun with the game and are happy with your performance, then that's the most important thing. Because having fun is what games are for.

And I'm certain you would be able to improve on it if you put the time into it.

[DRN]

[LN2]

Defcon=1
say "Cheap trick" after you understand that trick is cheap or not.

You pretty much said yourself it's a cheap trick.

my "poor" is not always "poor" of yours.
of course my"best" is not always "good" of yours.
just the difference of the height of bar.

Yes, and it takes quite an asshole to say he played poorly when his score easily beats all others who likely took pride in their score in Outrun.

You say you have played the game 5000 times. ok, what is your personal best score not using that trick? If you can score as high without using the trick then why use it? You use the trick cuz it allows you to finish faster and get a higher score.

I have stated if you did that I would admire your score as it would show you are better at the game. I would love to watch a 50+ million run at Outrun racing it without using the trick. Show us please.

It's really the fact you said your score was a "poor" effort that has had me post so much on this topic. You say using this trick you can get up around 60 million. Ok, what do you think is the top score you can obtain in Outrun not using this trick? My guess is it's nowhere near 60 million...if even 50 million.

If you have fun playing Outrun that way that's great. Many like getting the highest score possible regardless what techniques are used to get that. Having fun is why we play games. That's separate from a high score table though. Other high score places accept whatever score you get on a game...even if using an obvious bug in the game or playing in an infinite scoring/extra man loop..or using a trick to get 255 extra men on the first level(Mr. Do). Would you be playing these games if MARP wasn't here? I'm sure most of us would. MARP does add another aspect to the fun though of competing against others and knowing how our scores measure up against others. It's the competition that really makes it fun for me. If you didn't have other scores to measure up against, it wouldn't be nearly as fun. I wouldn't want to have to resort to using some trick to exploit a bug in the game code to score similar to what others did just because they used the trick. I think that is the case with your Outrun score. The only way to match or beat it is using the trick...so much for the integrity of playing the game as intended by the designer.

[Novice]

Defcon= 1

The stupid who can not understand the difference between outrun's gear-change and Mr-Do's 255 men is not the man "worth to discuss".

my personal best of 5000 games??
4'39"75 at dual way.(56 million)
4'41"34 at death valley(52 million)
my first play already has gear trick. because this game is "OUT" run.

[LN2]

Defcon= 1
The stupid who can not understand the difference between outrun's gear-change and Mr-Do's 255 men is not the man "worth to discuss".

Nice way to keep treating people like crap. My posts have called you nothing like this or taken it to a personal level. You have now taken it to a personal level.

The trick as you state allows you to be off the road yet maintain top speed for a period of time where you then do something else to renew this time period. This isn't the way the game was intended to be played. It's a flaw in the code. Mr. Do's 255 man on the first stage trick is also a game flaw. The difference is one is easily outrageous and would allow you to easily get a quite high score even if you aren't skilled at the game. The second with Outrun seems to allow higher than normal scores also...just not to such an obvious degree..but large enough. Both are exploiting the bug to gain an advantage over those playing the game not exploiting the bug to score more points.

Are you saying that you should be entitled to run at full speed off the road while others are having to slowdown to weave around traffic? You are avoiding the traffic cuz you know it will make you have to slow down some versus being offroad.

my personal best of 5000 games??
4'39"75 at dual way.(56 million)
4'41"34 at death valley(52 million)

Were those using that off-road gear trick or not?

If for those scores you weren't using the trick then why not play the game that way and show us how damn good you really are at the game.

I totally agree it isn't an offense like Mr. Do's 255 man trick or the Alpine Ski trick...however any trick that allows you to score higher points versus what the maximum possible score is playing the game not using the trick shouldn't be allowed. It's that simple.

You have yet to deny this so I'm guessing you actually agree the trick allows you to get a higher score versus what score you can get not using the trick. I asked a couple times and instead of answering you call me or others stupid. That's real nice. I think you don't want to confirm that cuz if you do then it likely will be banned(?). If you are so good as you keep telling us then if this technique is banned it really doesn't affect your MARP points cuz you can race the game not using the trick and still set a new top score and have your 100 pts. Given you are throwing a fit like a 3 year old kid I assume that means you can't beat those scores without using the trick.

If the answer to the above is a clear yes which the scores seem to indicate it is yes then the trick shouldn't be allowed...even if not easy to do.

[Chad]

LN2, look at it this way: you asking him to record with out the trick is like him asking you to record with the trick...

[LN2]

Chad, I totally understand that. I am not condemning him for playing that way at all. Many would play the game however they can to get the highest score possible. I likely would do that trick myself just for some arcade if I was competing with others to get the highest score for that game. That's different versus an international scoreboard where the top scores in many cases are among the best players for that game. There is nothing wrong with that trick until you start using it in a high score database where the purpose of the database is to have examples of great skilled play...not tricks. MARP has a separate tricks/game bugs/flaws area. Scores should also reflect the best players... not exploiting game flaws to get the high score. Notice how Novice refuses to answer certain questions posed to him. He knows in his own true gamer's heart that it's semi-cheap to get a higher score using that off-road speed technique to compare with other scores not using that off-road technique.

It's a shame cuz from the number of times he has played Outrun he might be among the best of the game. I would like to see him race it on-road versus seeing the game flaw exploiting throughout the race to gain 0.25-0.50 seconds here and there versus if he stayed on the road.

I guess we will never know just how good Novice is at Outrun compared to the 2nd-4th place scores.

[Novice]

DEFCON= 2

The record without that trick??
I do not know.
I know this trick for the firstplay.
To ban this trick is same thing to ban "High Gear" for me(and most of outrunners.)
I do not count eccentrick play's record.
you should study the spirit of "OUT" run.

[DRN]

Oh dear....
That reminds me of 'The Shining' actually.
All work and no play makes jack a dull boy all work and no play makes jack a dull boy all work and no etc etc.

[Skyline]

(Edit..snip snip snip...)

DEFCON=1-800-COLLECT

The game might have been called "OUT Run" because the object is to out-run everyone else...who knows. Ask Yu Suzuki.
I saw someone recently at a Little Caesars beat the living crap out of Outrun, mainly staying on the road and going off the road during sharp turns, backed-up traffic/etc. In the end he chalked up a little shy of 50 million. I'd like to see the game whooped fair and square as much as the next guy. I don't condemn Hisa's recording in any way, but it CAN be construed as exploiting a bug in the game, which is why there's all this debate.
Hisa: Archive the trick, so that way you'll still get credit, and beat it fair and square. Chuck all of that "I'm A Novice" bullcrap out the window and go for it. Besides staying on the road just looks all that more kick-ass anyways.

[LN2]

Can a moderator remove Novice's last post? It's a pain to have to horizontally scroll on this page now just because Novice wanted to make a 200 letter multi-hyphened word.

[Novice]

DEFCON= 4

why not poll?
just LN2 misunderstood the spirit of out-run series.
disscuss to no-brain guy is nonsence.
want to hear other people's opinion.

[DRN]

DEFCON=100000
You want to drive on the grass Hisa then you drive on the grass, I couldnt care less.
Just a little note though, LN2 is just as entitled to his opinion as you are. This doesnt make him a "no brain" when you disagree.

[The TJT]

Hisa, first of all, would you please keep the same username at marp, your constant name changes are a bit irritating.

Secondly, the outrun trick has been conversated before at marp board couple of yers ago(if it was tg board, forgive me), you were parttaking the conversation and you thought the trick was ok. It was general concensus and decided that off road trick was not allowed at marp. So this trick is old news and banned at marp.

Propably the name Out Run comes from not being easy to keep on the track all the time, so you'll run out of the track.
You can not seriously think the purpose of the game is to keep off the track. The game was not designed to be played like that, which you know if you play the game driving on the road. It's only a bug that japanese plaers exploit -hats off for finding the bug though...

I believe that bug takes away a lot of original purpose of the game, as you can avoid other cars in some normally tough situations. Cars seem to group rather nasty at certain curves. Not spirit of the game to use the trick.

You have been able to do this trick for long time, why you submit now fully knowing people at marp don't like this, just for fun to irritate?

What comes to outrun scores, Playing using the trick is NOT comparable to TG scores.

TG record is allmost 53 million points, which is propably achieved by perfect drive staying on the road driving max speed all the time.
I know my marp record is ok, but not excellent, allthough I know I can do much better if I want to play the game, maybe 50 million in couple of weeks. My friend has gotten about 51 million, and he is very proud of hes score, it's just about perfect run. At funspot couple of years ago he find out a way to make one million/second more though.
Off road trick gives unfair advantage to other marp scores making scores over 55million possible and is banned already.

Please remove your score, or make another without the trick, surely you can take the first place playing like others do, but surely it will not be easy to beat this TG record.

Other, more allowing option is to make a new category for Out Run bug play, which I have nothing against. Patrick?

Tommi T
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