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I still think you're on CRAQ, but you never know.

In any case, we should either wait for more feedback or start the next poll.

hehe, yes lets wait for more input, two legitimate scoring methods it too low for a poll for something this important.

Chad wrote:I think i'll revise the divisor scoring rule to

1000 * RunsScored for a shutout, 100 * RunsScored / RunsAllowed for all others

to make the math easier. Any other scoring suggestions?

I think both methods have problems with mercy rules, but the divisor method works better . If there was a 10 run mercy rule: Say you were leading by 9 runs and then held there, and then in the 5th inning you let a run slip past to make it 9-1. In the 6th inning you now could make up the runs to force the mercy rule to make it 11-1. this game would be scored with pts difference the same score! (110), if you never made the defensive mistake and kept the game at 10-0 (110) too. The divisor method would give a pretty big bonus for the shut out (less bonus for 12-2 verses 11-1) but at least it would reward you (and eliminate the ties) for not having made the fatal 1 run mistake.

Mmmm... dealing with the mercy rule. :-/

Here's another scoring idea (as if you people weren't already tired of these):

For each inning, take (2*your runs - computer's runs). Multiply this by the number of runs the side scoring more runs in the inning had, and total over innings. Innings not played due to the mercy rule count 50 points each, and each inning after 9 played is worth half as much.

Innings where the computer scores more runs, but would still score positive for the player, score 0, as do innings that are tied.

Examples here (since we're getting so fond of these, too):

P 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 - 9
C 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 - 7

Score: 2 + (-1) + (-1) + (-1) + (-1) + (-1) + (-1) + (-1) + 128 = 123

P 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 9
C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 - 7

Score: 162 + (-49) = 113

P 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 - 9
C 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 - 7

Score: 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 = 4 (worst possible score for a 9-7 game, but hey, that's what you get for consistently bad pitching)

P 5 5 5 5 5 5 - 30
C 0 0 0 0 19 0 - 19

Score: 50 + 50 + 50 + 50 + (-171) + 50 + (50*3) = 229 (just goes to show you, DON'T GIVE UP 19 RUNS AND STILL EXPECT A GOOD SCORE IN A SHORTENED GAME. Heh.)

P 2 2 2 2 2 1 - 11
C 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0

Score: 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 2 + (50*3) = 192 (Player wins. Flawless victory. Score, however, leaves something to be desired.)

And, finally:

P 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 - 78
C 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 10 11 12 0 - 65

Score: (-15) + (-5) + 0 + 0 + 0 + 42 + 63 + 88 + 117 + 0/2 + 0/2 + 0/2 + 338/2 = 459 (not bad for extra innings, although this game looks like someone needs to work on their fielding...)

Could we see the score of the All-Star game based on this?

This may be just me, but does anyone else NOT want to use a calculator, pencil, and paper to figure out their scores?

Further, what about:

P 111 111 110 - 8
C 000 000 007 - 7

Score = 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + (-49) = -33

Also, Chad's gonna bitch at you for "30-19 is better than 11-0?!?"

roncli wrote:This may be just me, but does anyone else NOT want to use a calculator, pencil, and paper to figure out their scores?

Further, what about:

P 111 111 110 - 8
C 000 000 007 - 7

Score = 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + (-49) = -33

Mmmm... don't submit that recording?

If the scoring system is going to suck that fiercly, I might just not submit any recordings.

Seriously, though, this sytem has some serious flaws. You shouldn't get negative points for winning a game. Saying to "not submit a recording" because the scoring system isn't very friendly to a win is rather lame.

roncli wrote:If the scoring system is going to suck that fiercly, I might just not submit any recordings.

Seriously, though, this sytem has some serious flaws. You shouldn't get negative points for winning a game. Saying to "not submit a recording" because the scoring system isn't very friendly to a win is rather lame.

Except that, with rare exceptions (bad defense in the 9th inning, notably), it works well (but then, so do most of the other methods that have been brought up).

And, as far as Chad complaining about 30-19 being better than 11-0, well, like I said, you shouldn't be giving up 19 runs in one inning. Leave that to the computer.

[quote="MDenhamAnd, as far as Chad complaining about 30-19 being better than 11-0, well, like I said, you shouldn't be giving up 19 runs in one inning. Leave that to the computer.[/quote]

here comes the beddiessay-biach: heh, right you shouldn't give up 19! and because you "shouldn't" , you should get penalized hard for giving up 19, not just a wrist slap!

Matt and Frankie could be on the right track, I wouldn't mind using a pencil and paper if it really scored games fairly, penalizes for mistakes, and eliminated most ties. But it's a tough nut to CRAQ.

perhaps, we should do a vote now with four possibilties:

(1) divisor (Chad)
(2) points diffrence (roncli)
(3) 10*scored - against
(4) "wait" for another scoring system possibility.

Chad wrote:But it's a tough nut to CRAQ.

ErrrrROFL

Chad wrote:perhaps, we should do a vote now with four possibilties:

Sounds good to me. But do we really HAVE to do 10*scored - against?

yeah that one is pretty bad, i'd axe it and have only three choice unless there is a last minute scoring method to be presented, Frankie will make the final call.

Chad wrote:yeah that one is pretty bad, i'd axe it and have only three choice unless there is a last minute scoring method to be presented, Frankie will make the final call.

I think we should wait a few days. I've been thinking about my formula, how to go around that you can score more by loosing than by winning and I've also realised your point about the defence Skito. Therefore I want to change my formula to this:

If the match is won:

1000 x won inning + 50 x draw inning + (points for - (points against x 2))

If the match is lost:

100 x won inning + 25 x draw inning + (points for - (points against x 2))

It still needs pen and paper and some calculating. Just like the football games, so nothing new there, and nothing to be afraid about

Bye.

Several soccer games don't need paper and pencil.Just use the in-game score,like in Super Sidekicks 1,2,3...
and I do *not* understand,why scoring for every single inning?It's like to (example)give an Half Time score for Kick and Run/Mexico '86...

What I don't like about the per inning thing is that the mercy rule will penalize you big time.

Kale wrote:Several soccer games don't need paper and pencil.Just use the in-game score,like in Super Sidekicks 1,2,3...

Championship Baseball (champbas) would be one of the few baseball games NOT affected by this rule, because it does have its own scoring system.

roncli wrote: Championship Baseball (champbas) would be one of the few baseball games NOT affected by this rule, because it does have its own scoring system.

Don't forget The Koukouyakyuh.
Man I'm in love with that "STRAIKA!"