"Preload" uploads

[mahlemiut]

Preload used the Run Like Hell cheat built into those MAME drivers. That is quite plainly cheating. He is quite welcome to upload new scores that don't use this cheat, however.

[LN2]

perhaps language is a large enough barrier for preload here that he doesn't quite understand that cheats must be turned off and no RLH control used. To consider the opposite would be pretty low of him as a gamer.

preload, cheats must be disabled. even if enabled, do NOT use the key that is assigned to "run like hell cheat".

It's easiest to avoid that by just having cheats off in MAME.

[preload]

thanks for keeping the communcation going preload, you seem like you want to follow the rules. It's possible you are enabling cheats in the ini file with out knowing. If you want to be real sure you aren't enabling cheats, use wolfmame for recordings since it will tell if cheats are enabled when you play the recording back among other things.

ok, now I begin to understand which it is the problem.
I have supplied to remade the score for the game "konami88" clone of "88 Games" with wolfmameplus 0.74u1. If this inp is regular tell me and I will replace it to the other.
Now has put it on my ftp, you can download it here:

http://www.preload.it/konami88_291520.zip

you say me moreover for which games I must send back the score.
From what I have read here they would seem to be following:

-88 games and clones
-track n' field and clones

they are these?

As far as Field Day I had already supplied to send back the score as it can be seen here:
http://marp.retrogames.com/index.cgi?mo ... 00&tourn=0
I think that this game is ok
...or not?

I would want to be made excuses with you but it was not my intention to use cheats or rlh...sorry

[The TJT]

Thank you Barry!

As your tiny.exe shows: ALL hes konami inps HAVE RLH USED:

http://marp.retrogames.com/index.cgi?mo ... er_game=99


Other similar sport recordings by preload:

http://marp.retrogames.com/index.cgi?mo ... er_game=99

Which I assume are cheated also. I have only watched fieldday and undoukai, and will not spend my time looking others surely. He is 100% cheater.

Hes inp submitted at this thread, konami88 goes out of sync, or is a very bad joke. Even though it goes offsync, tiny.exe shows use of RLH anyway.

[The TJT]

Preload used the Run Like Hell cheat built into those MAME drivers. That is quite plainly cheating. He is quite welcome to upload new scores that don't use this cheat, however.

I think letting him go that easy is really a bad message for cheaters at marp...If you cheat and get caught, just submit new inp without getting caught.

He should be banned from marp. or atleast these kind of sportgames.
I don't want to look at hes cheating ass inps more.

No way preload used rlh by accident:

At 88games +clones he uses rlh at every event with running(tiny.exe):

1.
At 100m he don't keep RLH button pressed all the time, that's why does not maximize speed. he releases it many times to look more valid.
2.
At Long Jump he simply holds down rlh button all the way!
I tested rlh myself at this game, speed was exactly same that he gets all the time.

And yes, I was right he did use rlh at TF highjump.

Rick,
Very hard for me to believe 2.52 at highjump at arcade.
What kind of machine, buttons or joystick.
How did you push buttons? Sixfinger technique for speed or something else? Forefinger+middle, both hands, like used for firing at some games?
If you have ran 7,60-7,80 you must use 6F tech I assume.
Anyway if you did that with buttons, I want to see it myself.
Do you have hotrod?

I don't understand why you defend preload so much. My observations proved to be accurate. There have been earlier many cases like this, but not so bad. He was warned and still continued cheating.

[LN2]

Rick,
Very hard for me to believe 2.52 at highjump at arcade.
What kind of machine, buttons or joystick.

buttons...I never have seen a T-n-F with joystick(s).

How did you push buttons?

I explained my old technique to you previously in an older T-n-F thread...so I won't repeat it.

If you have ran 7,60-7,80 you must use 6F tech I assume.Anyway if you did that with buttons, I want to see it myself.
Do you have hotrod?

I'm not referring to playing it in MAME at all....was referring to playing on a real arcade machine. I have gotten 2.52m on T-n-F or seen others get it quite regularly. To get 2.50 was fairly easy.....2.51 I could maybe get 33-50% of the time... 2.52 was hard, but could get it once every 5-10 times. I think 2.52 is max though. I have never seen a 2.53.

I don't understand why you defend preload so much. My observations proved to be accurate. There have been earlier many cases like this, but not so bad. He was warned and still continued cheating.

It's not about your observations or accuracy of the cheating accusations etc. It's the severity of punishment you want for preload even if he is outright guilty of intentional cheating.

IMHO, I put rule #1 of MARP as the primary rule....treating others with respect and having good sportsmanship yet there are a couple others here that have often shown disrespect toward others....1 in particular on a constant basis...yet NOTHING gets done about it.

...so why should the stance be any different for cheaters? I view MARP's rules as empty rules. They aren't enforced. There are zero consequences to repeatedly breaking them over and over and over again intentionally.

This is the first case I have seen for preload since I joined MARP nearly 1.5 years ago. That isn't saying the past didn't occur...but it's far different than someone that constantly torments others in these forums, or writes inappropriate and abusive posts or even descriptions for scores...and mouths off about MARP and the "losers" here elsewhere. That is far more severe IMHO than someone that is just using a RLH cheat that is easily detected by the editors so those scores can be zeroed out.

Moderators at other forums would have taken actions against such things..but that doesn't happen here.

If wolfmame doesn't have the option to have cheats enabled and he submits a roughly equivalent score(s) for this game(s) then he should just be given the opportunity to play with that....and submit scores.

Instead of banning him for 2 years, perhaps the penalty should be that for him, he must use wolfmame. That's not really much of a penalty at all overall, but would prevent him from using the obvious cheats or cheats.dat for other games....as well as knowing he is playing the games at speed.

If when using wolfmame it is discovered he has found a way to cheat using that...then further action would seem appropriate. To just jump and give him a banishment sentence seems extreme.

[dskys]

The fact TJT presents of preload's 110m hurdle speed being faster than the regular 100m dash speed does at first seem a tad odd....but given the 100m dash is continuously tapping the buttons the entire race but the hurdles in bursts...doesn't really matter of you are tapping right after you press jump...so you get a split-second break before doing another burst of taps....hehe it's very possible someone could end up reaching a slightly faster speed at the hurdles. It's sort of vague to me but I think I would reach higher shown "speeds" for the hurdles also versus the 100m dash but the times of course don't reflect it.

I get much faster times comparitively on the hurdles than i do on 100m. Im a lot closer to Tommi on that, cant get sub8 on 100m.

Tommi: Does this mean that you've decided i'm not cheating then? Seeing as you haven't vociferously attacked me in the way you have preload?

[dskys]

anyway... back to stepmania.. this is far too addictive

LOL how can you find that better than any of these games? even us-games?

it's not better. It's different heheh.. And as I can't dance and have virtually no coordination i figure it's something i want to practice. And im getting pretty good.

As an aside, in another thread someone said it's too easy with fingers - yeah it is, i agree now hehe

[The TJT]

Tommi: Does this mean that you've decided i'm not cheating then? Seeing as you haven't vociferously attacked me in the way you have preload?

I've not decided anything
Yes, I thought you got pretty good speeds at several events.
Now you must understand why I had slight suspicions for your inps, because many times new great scores are achieved at TF-genre...they turn out to be somekind of cheats. This has happened quite many times.
RLH very usual reason for DQ.
I really don't want to accuse somebody who is not cheating. Im not here to make enemies, but more likely friends. It's all about love for these classics. So peace man(insert flower pic here)

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Rick, you are right about novice. He has been extremely insulting and rude for you personally. Not only talking about games, rules etc calmly, but trying to cheapen your comments and person here.

DEFCON=20

I hate complaining loser(s).
but his act is really fun.
good luck all.

I believe these comments were addressed for me.

Now he calls me loser. Only because I like to have level competition and rules at Marp.
Previously he has told me that I don't have any recordings worth watching...what kind of thing is that to say at a site that is purely devoted for showing your inp-proud
I believe many of my inps show much greater skill than hes. I'm not only showing tricks and tactics from other players and www.

BTW, I did not find your description(at marp forums) about how you highjump? I would be very interested to test it myself with hotrod...

Tommi

I think all these TF-genre games should be played in future with a version that prevents rlh, or shows it. Easy, just add special rules.
What comes to preload recordings I link earlier, they should be removed all. If any punishments will follow is not up to me.

[dskys]

I've not decided anything
Yes, I thought you got pretty good speeds at several events.
Now you must understand why I had slight suspicions for your inps, because many times new great scores are achieved at TF-genre...they turn out to be somekind of cheats. This has happened quite many times.
RLH very usual reason for DQ.
I really don't want to accuse somebody who is not cheating. Im not here to make enemies, but more likely friends. It's all about love for these classics. So peace man(insert flower pic here)

Fair play <-- I guess that has many meanings - i mean the english one as well as the promote fair play one

I know no-one admits cheating, but i never did and i only ever used 3 keys too - l, r, and jump

In a bit TJT

[AL]

Interesting stuff .

Rick , you seem to forgotten that Preload uses a joystick to run...left/right for speeds , no buttons . Therefore the 100m + 110m hurdles speeds/times should be on the same level ( i.e no need to lose rhythm of finger movements when jumping ) . And the fact that he's using a joystick ( as I did with T+F MAME ) for the high jump speaks volumes . Put simply , soaring over 2.52m means that he is f***ing super fast going left-to-right . It also means that his running speeds would be a shit load faster , i.e well under 8secs , and even more so under 10secs on the running events , but they aren't . He's cheated .

I agree with you that on the high jump, different button-pushing styles other than the cascade/6 finger method DO work better , but not left-to-right with a joystick . So the point that was made about Preload possibly using a style on the HJ doesn't matter really . All he has is left-to-right .

Once again , the gameplay of an INP caused Tommi to be ( rightly ) suspiscious , and therefore raised the issue .

As for punishment ? Give him a chance to upload with a securer version . If he doesn't , so what ?


Cheers ,

AL

[preload]

As for punishment ? Give him a chance to upload with a securer version . If he doesn't , so what ?

I have just upload in my ftp an inp made with a "securer version" of mame, wolfmameplus 0.74u1

http://www.preload.it/konami88_291520.zip

but it seems that interests to nobody...
I'm waiting....

Goodnight

p.s. There is only one thing that I've not understand:
if someone send an inp in which it has used rlh or autofire you delete (rightly) your record and enough...but for my records you want banned me from marp...mmm...this is very strange...
You can delete my records and insert "made with RHL"; in this way I'll can send an inp made with wolfmame or alphamame.

[mahlemiut]

http://www.preload.it/konami88_291520.zip

but it seems that interests to nobody...
I'm waiting....

Looks good to me.

[Weehawk]

This thread from 1999:

viewtopic.php?t=2915

had several noteworthy comments:

Will Angry ever return to MARP?......if the MARP world continues to revolve around who's cheating how, I may never come back.

It doesn't matter how small the stakes are, people don't like getting ripped off. And when it's happening on a continuing
basis, the complaints will roll in until someone fixes the problem or
everyone leaves.

Whenever
I would download a recording and see that cheating was evident, it
would cheapen the whole experience for me. To this day some are
downright upsetting, even more so in the two tournaments. I can't
understand why everyone tolerates this blatent activity prevalent here
at MARP. If no one talks about it then it will never ever get fixed.

I too would like to see 'cheating discussions' go away and be replaced by discussions on game strategy and tips/tricks in games. ...Unfortunately, the cheating topics will abound until
something is done about it - i.e. new policies put in place or the
people start leaving MARP in digust.

I consider this a transition era for Marp, since lately
cheating techniques have been improved too much. I truly hope we'll
find out a way to prevent it, so that we all could complain less and
play more, challenging on the same field, and see other great players
like you Angry come back.

...I and many
other MARPers put in a great deal of time and effort on our
recordings only to witness our scores being undermined by the lack of
sportsmanship displayed here recently.

[LN2]

1999? MARP was pretty new then. MAME was quite young compared to now.

I don't think most of that is even valid with the state of MARP and MAME today.