For those who are too dumb to learn the commandline... :)

Post by **mahlemiut** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:18 am

Found another good reason to avoid MAME Plus...

It can't be built using the officially supported tools for MAME. There doesn't appear to be any support at all for VC++ any more, and GCC 3.4.2 segfaults when trying to build it. I could update GCC, but I'd rather stick to the version officially supported by MAME.

LN2 · Post by **LN2** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:43 am

welby1 wrote:I'd think not to accept scores from those versions would be worse than keeping scores from any of the very early versions of mame on marp. Getting convenient, updated versions of wolfmameplus is one of my my reasons for using the news page.

yes, and how convenient would it be if suddenly we have 3+ independent builds of a wolf108 or wolfplus108 that result in replays that can only be played back successfully with the same version?

there are plenty enough with all the version number changes...don't need multiple independent builds for each version on top of it that all run on the same platform.

if the replays are compatible then I think there is no problem...just report wolf108 was used.

The TJT · Post by **The TJT** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:34 am

LN2 wrote: if the replays are compatible then I think there is no problem...just report wolf108 was used.

If it playbacks in official wolfmame and has all the same features, then there really is no difference. Then again I suspect playback is not 100% and maybe there are features wolfmame does not have.
How would someone even know if playback is good at wolfmame, if one doesn't use it.

I don't want to see that omame was used and a link in the description box pointing to yet another exotic MAME derivative. Let's keep it simple guys.

http://www.zophar.net/frontends/mame.html

pat33999 · Post by **pat33999** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:04 pm

WolfMAME 0.108 works fine with the latest version of Emuloader (http://www.mameworld.net/emuloader/). I've had no trouble with it so far.

sawys · Post by **sawys** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:20 pm

Zhorik wrote: I believe sawys original question "Is it possible to have the point of view of mahlemiut on using the wolf 32 mame plus 0.108 - build 3" was referring to making a 108u3 version of WolfMAMEPlus. Since it was voted a while ago that "u" releases wouldn't be allowed on MARP, Abrasion66 could make one that could be used by other sites (e.g. jvrm, ArcadeHits), but it wouldn't be allowed for MARP submissions.

No the build 3 of this wolfmame32+ version was just because he made modifications like a logo of arcadehits instead of mame and other things i don't know exactly ^^

He won't never published a u version but only an official version.

Abrasion · Post by **Abrasion** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:52 pm

Howdy there,

The Wolfmame32+ build i made is just a compilation of official mame32plus and wolfmame sources. I made 3 build because that was the first time i code/compile something, so i had modify nothing (noway to cheat or replay in slowmo) my build is strictly a wolfmame with nothing more.

history of builds :

Build 1 : not compatible with wolfmame
Build 2 : don't show the final stat at the end of recording
Build 3 : the last build fully compatible with original Wolfmame

That's all

Edit : The next build will be name : Unofficial WolfMAME32 Plus! or any thing else (to avoid confusing).

Post by **Zhorik** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:45 pm

Abrasion/Sawys, can you provide a download link for Build 3? Also, is there going to be a webpage somewhere that contains links to new builds on an ongoing basis?

Abrasion · Post by **Abrasion** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:34 am

http://rapidshare.de/files/33872147/Wol ... _3.7z.html

I haven't any webspace to create a Webpage for that build, so for now i post it on arcadehit's forum

zlk · Post by **zlk** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:05 am

I download any wolf108 replay from marp. I try to playback with the above build's GUI and the game doesn't even load. Have you tried to playback wolf108 replays from marp with the above build's GUI? Do you need to change any settings to get the replays to work?

Strangely enough the commandline version included above works with Marp replays. The GUI doesn't.

Abrasion · Post by **Abrasion** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:05 am

zlk wrote:I download any wolf108 replay from marp. I try to playback with the above build's GUI and the game doesn't even load. Have you tried to playback wolf108 replays from marp with the above build's GUI? Do you need to change any settings to get the replays to work?

Strangely enough the commandline version included above works with Marp replays. The GUI doesn't.

in some case you need to select the game before load an INP file, and others time you don't need. I don't know why.

And i'm sure that can replay wolfmame 0.108 official files

Post by **mahlemiut** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:09 am

Since MAME 0.107, MAME has required the game's shortname be used. If it's not given, then MAME will return an error. It won't change the selected game if the INP header differs from that.

Isn't it nice how MAME32 just does nothing, rather than tell you something went wrong...

Abrasion · Post by **Abrasion** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:59 pm

Well, after few tests i found the problem. The name of the inp must start with the original SET_NAME in mame so, you must have a file name like that :

SetName_what_you_want_with_no_spaces.inp

Personnaly i'm using this format of file name

SetName+YYMMDD+GameMode+PlayerName+MameVersion+score.inp

ex:
magdrop3_060903_challenge_easy_abrasion_108_314046.inp

sawys · Post by **sawys** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:02 pm

zlk wrote:I download any wolf108 replay from marp. I try to playback with the above build's GUI and the game doesn't even load. Have you tried to playback wolf108 replays from marp with the above build's GUI? Do you need to change any settings to get the replays to work?

Strangely enough the commandline version included above works with Marp replays. The GUI doesn't.

I checked this one with the gui version of the build 3 and it works till the end with default settings and i use the throttle to accelerate the playback sometimes.

http://marp.retrogames.com/inp/e/e/c/al ... olf108.zip

The problem seems to be with the neo geo games...

I tried with nitd and when i want to playback with wolf+108-3 an inp recorded with wolf108 then i have an error message where it is said that the cartridge must be used on snk board only ??

And with another game (wjammers) the inp desyncs when credits inserted...

Strange...

Post by **mahlemiut** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:36 pm

MAME Plus hacks out the Neo Geo startup tests, so it starts up much more quickly. In general, Neo Geo inps should remain compatible, so long as there is no input early on. Games that use random number generation, typically use the RTC to seed it, which is static on recording or playback, and thus should still playback. Or at least, it used to. Some of the KOF games do have a different method of seeding random numbers however...