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The TJT wrote:and decision was to change default dipsw settings for playchoice 10 games

Hmm, the playchoice 10 thing is a good separate example. Do you really just want default dip switch settings where your 1 credit gives you only like a 3 or 5 minute game(forget how much time that buys by default)?

Can you judge who is the best for the Playchoice 10 games out there from just a 3 minute run?

The golf games are similar to playchoice 10 as they were intentionally designed to take several credits to complete a round of golf.

Alex, sure if you can score a birdie essentially every hole it's possible. A couple of the golf games are fair enough to actually allow a player skilled enough to accomplish that...others aren't though. Other games have holes which unless you get lucky you will only get a par or worse on the hole. There are a couple where par on the hole is a great score....no holes earned for pars though....oh well, you end up with a lower score to the player that got fortunate and lucky enough to get a hole-in-one.

I have not played the original Major Title enough to know how low you can go. I had played the 2nd one more. You will see with that one the same as the other golf games that the sequels got more expensive...where it's essentially impossible to play an entire round on 1 credit.

I think the real issue is in how "score" is for an even par round versus a 10-under round. that's the real problem...not how many credits you are allowed to use. It's more fun to have it as playing an entire round....then fairly assigning scores based on strokes used.

Perhaps something like a PGATour purse payout scale could be used....where each stroke more used is considered 1 less place in the finish. This would make whoever is in first place for each golf game get roughly 33-50% more than whoever is in 2nd place....assuming they are only 1 stroke behind.

Perhaps that's a bit of overkill the other direction....but you see my point...perhaps 10% per stroke....so if a 10-under round would earn about 300 points, then a 9-under round would get 270, 8-under, 240, etc. as far as score goes...so that's 30 points per stroke under par. If over par you get ZERO.....although as noted above a couple golf games are so bad no way you can even par the course.

These are just suggestions.

just a few quick notes, as these posts have become exhaustive:

1) the pc_10 was a messy compromise between players who really wanted to show off their l33t Nintendo skills and players who didn't want those games at MARP whatsoever. there wasn't a lot of middle ground.
it's also some bad blood between Tommi and myself that is HOPEFULLY in the past now, so i suspect that was more of a dig at me than anything, Rick. pc_10 games were allowed to stand on the general rule that they were part of MAME, and so should be scored and not archived, and Tommi knows it's a decision that I still disagree with, but such was the community's decision.

2) the original point of my post is that we play games at MARP on one credit, unless there is NO OTHER CHOICE. forgive the caps, but this is the whole point. walk up to a machine, pump in a credit, show off your skills. this is the entire mentality that we play under here and have always played under. this is why the compromise on the pc_10 games worked out the way it did, and why we will always take a settings change over quarter-dropping.

3) can someone find the original vote/ruling on golf games? i can't track it down--i can find the one about the scoring setup, but not the vote on why golf games were changed.

4) Rick, you have to be at least somewhat insane to have played through full rounds of Crowns golf. that's gotta be several hours of just waiting for the screen to draw. but, back on topic, the only golf game i have found that might be ridiculously hard to finish on one credit is Golden Tee Golf (i and ii), so I'm not sure where the force of your argument is coming from. Major Title 2 is easier than one IMO, not harder--i wish it weren't broken now so that i could hand in a score. and there is a way to play 17 for a birdie even with bad winds, as I'm sure Alex will attest to, just like there is a way to eagle the first three holes (albeit #2 is harder than hell to do, as you have to modify everything and then still risk hitting the tree)

Q.T.Quazar wrote:4) Rick, you have to be at least somewhat insane to have played through full rounds of Crowns golf. that's gotta be several hours of just waiting for the screen to draw.

Crown's golf is a pain...but I think I played the entire round in about 1 hour....maybe even a tad less. Redraws weren't that painful. the horribly quality of golf though was. I think I used 10 or 12 credits to play that round. that's ridiculous!!!


I guess the thing would be to see that old discussion that resulted in the golf game special rules being adopted to start with. That happened before I joined MARP. However, given 67% had to agree with that proposal it seems like it would be difficult to get 67% to overturn it...which is what you would need to revert.

I personally think that wouldn't be good. I guarantee some with lower scores now might move up if they revert to the older scoring. it also would likely result in all current scores being reviewed to be rescored based on the first credit or just delete them all.

It will be a shame if that happens though. That turns it into a shootout where you are trying to birdie every single hole to prolong the match versus on some holes just playing for par...and perhaps still getting a birdie...but likely a par.

I guess for the Major Title games I'll have to try a different type of player. I used the default average all-around steady player. Perhaps with the power player or one of the others it makes those few ridiculously long holes easier where you can actually birdie them.

LN2 wrote:Think about bowling...what would you do if a bowling game had it where you only bowl 2 frames and if you didn't get a strike in either of those frames your game is over? ...and you need a strike to earn bowling another frame? Yes, that sounds crazy...and that's analogous to playing only 2-3 holes of golf. Anyone can get lucky and string a few strikes together or a couple birdies...but how can they fair over an entire 18 holes or 10 frames in bowling?

I have seen a bowler with only a 90 average start a game with 6 strikes in a row....but then not get a mark the last 6 frames...and then bowl sub-100 the next 2 games.

You make a point Rick. This exemple is very good. And, in fact, make all holes in golf games is not a so bad idea Except I lose my first place in Major Title with this rule :p

Francois

Of course hole 17 on Major Title can be birdied QT !...dodgy winds or not ( my recall is on that hole ye gotta......hmm...damned memory..., eh? )

AL

AL wrote:Of course hole 17 on Major Title can be birdied QT !...dodgy winds or not ( my recall is on that hole ye gotta......hmm...damned memory..., eh? )

The #17 I mean is in Majtitle2. The one that's about a 670 yard par 5on the EW course.

If wind isn't against you you can get there in 3...but if it's against you you can't even reach the green in 3. You have to layup over to the left strip for third then wedge for 4th. ...at least with the default all-around pro player you can't..perhaps with the power hitter you can. I have not played using the other golfer types yet to see the differences.

I think I actually birdied it once...but only once. Most of my rounds I am getting a bogey or worse on that hole cuz my 3rd shot often hits one of those trees and ends up OB for a 2-stroke penalty...plus then having to try the shot again.

The way that game handles trees is quite flawed.

Oh , Major Title 2 ?

Sorry Rick , my bad...


AL