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Novice wrote:?Just luck of knowledge may creates fuzzy rule.
I still can not understand what is warp and what is not.

WARP (warp) n. 1.) To twist or deflect from a plane, 2. To deflect from a course.

Simply put, making the ball go outside the course. THAT is "warping."

This is a course and where the ball usually is.
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Hope that clarifies things.
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Another issue would be which is the maximum allowable sensitivity for Cameltry? (Not only sensitivity but "Joy/Key Speed" as well). The default values for each are 100% and 20, respectively.

I don't think you could have any restriction on the sensitivity used in the game...whatever mame allows there has to be allowed. However, it definitely shouldn't be allowed to be changed during a game.

Let's save those separate discussions for other threads though. If you want to discuss that specific thing let's start a new thread on it. This poll for Cameltry isn't about changing sensitivity during play. It's not about bumper leeching. It's only about the "warp trick".

Novice, in short, if you don't like the use of the word "warp" for that trick I clearly stated it's when you rotate the maze so quickly the ball is allowed to go into and through the walls/barriers in the course. Call it whatever you want, that's what we are talking about with that "warp" trick. the display of the maze and where the ball is does "warp" it's location within the maze though. It isn't a nice smooth motion.

So if you vote yes to this poll, that means you approve of setting the sensitivity really high and make your ball go into and through parts of the mazes...avoiding playing most of the actual game for some worlds.

If you vote no, it means you would rather play the game by it's rules and the way it's supposed to be played versus exploiting an issue in the code that allows you to move the maze faster than the designers had planned on which allows the ball to go into and through walls.

I hope that clears it up for anyone not sure what the polls question above is for. Watch Novice's inp for cameltry-spc to see an example of going through some walls..although he only does it for the first couple of worlds in the course, you can continue to do this just about anywhere in the mazes you want. Play the game normally or watch QRS's cameltry-spc not going through any walls to see how the game is played with skill. then from that decide which way you think the game should be played.

It only matters cuz going through the walls allows you to get much higher scores than you can get without going into and through walls....thus this decides how the game will really be played to get high scores.

Novice, if you want to keep discussing Cameltry and being so nitpicky please do it in the big Cameltry discussion thread. This thread is for the poll. You are just trying to confuse others that might see this thread.

Skyline wrote:

Novice wrote:?Just luck of knowledge may creates fuzzy rule.
I still can not understand what is warp and what is not.

WARP (warp) n. 1.) To twist or deflect from a plane, 2. To deflect from a course.

Simply put, making the ball go outside the course. THAT is "warping."

This is a course and where the ball usually is.

you are not original poll maker, If your definition is right,this rule NOT ban sweet spot.
If so, I think this poll does not change so much.
Just DQed TTYF's 2.26M. still 2-3M is possible.

Novice wrote: ?Just luck of knowledge may creates fuzzy rule.
I still can not understand what is warp and what is not.

Teach me.
he may have much greater knowledge than me.
and mentioned about unseen WARP.
I also interested.

Tell me ? What is your goal ? Rage us with your comments ?
It's you who name your trick 'Warp', not us. Not only, you try to make us enrage, but also you've lack of memory.
Furthermore, I know you know exactly what is Warp and what is the purpose of this poll. So don't be silly

Francois

Novice wrote:you are not original poll maker, If your definition is right,this rule NOT ban sweet spot.

Maybe not, but it'll ban any attempts to move the ball anywhere outside that course, or though any walls. If the "sweet spots" you refer to are like those in stage 2, where you squeeze in between the tiny space between the bumper and the wall, then yes, that'll be banned as well. The little nooks and crannies which seperate bumpers/walls/etc from the rest of the playing field can't be classified as being part of the set course, since there's no way you can get there without going through the wall. So maybe the correct definition would be "going through the wall will be banned". But if "penetrating the sweet spot" means something else (besides the obvious ) please shed some light on it...argh. Carrying on an argument with you is exhausting.

Novice wrote:If so, I think this poll does not change so much. Just DQed TTYF's 2.26M. still 2-3M is possible.

It'll DQ any further attempts to do like you did in your inp. The norm would be games like QRS/LN2's. That is unless 2.2 Million can be scored using those same play mechanics. If so, then by all means go for it. Hopefully you're not still on that "The World Is Against Me Because I'm TTYF" tangent.

Skyline wrote: It'll DQ any further attempts to do like you did in your inp. The norm would be games like QRS/LN2's. That is unless 2.2 Million can be scored using those same play mechanics. If so, then by all means go for it. Hopefully you're not still on that "The World Is Against Me Because I'm TTYF" tangent.

I never think "All MARPer is against me because I'm TTYF".
There are only 4 or 5 men who really hate me,but still have many
respectable friends.
#thanks for outrun voters.

The norm is already defined by another poll.
you can improve your score if FINISH the game.
no difference between QRS/LN2 and 2.2M's under current rule.

to ban sweet spot is not difference from to ban any bamper leeching.
still defenition of warp is not strict.
and my original wishing is "make the poll of "accept" "at only original" "ban"". this poll is biased.

most of people include me do not want to see 3 sweet spot play.
#not want to try it any more.

mu...
the man "Luck of knowledge" had not better stand such poll.
so confusing.
and you may have rage for me. I HAVE MUCH STRONGER ONE THAN YOU.
-from victim.

Novice wrote:I never think "All MARPer is against me because I'm TTYF".
There are only 4 or 5 men who really hate me,but still have many
respectable friends.
#thanks for outrun voters.

You give us that impression sometimes.

Novice wrote:The norm is already defined by another poll.
you can improve your score if FINISH the game.
no difference between QRS/LN2 and 2.2M's under current rule.

to ban sweet spot is not difference from to ban any bamper leeching.
still defenition of warp is not strict.
and my original wishing is "make the poll of "accept" "at only original" "ban"". this poll is biased.

So what you're saying is that if going beyond the course is banned, then slipping in between the cracks of a bumper should be allowed because it falls in the same category of the prior poll results [bumper leeching is allowed aslongas you finish the course]? That would make sense, however it's the technique that allows you to get to that spot that is under question. The leeching itself is as legal as pressing Start.

Novice wrote:mu...
the man "Luck of knowledge" had not better stand such poll.
so confusing.

Not sure who this "mu..." is directed towards. And yes, this is confusing. Let's just see the outcome of this poll and see where that goes.

Novice wrote:and you may have rage for me. I HAVE MUCH STRONGER ONE THAN YOU.

RAGE ATTACK! SUPER SAIYA-JIN HISA-CHAN SMASH ALL FXXXERS!!!8O
J/K.
The only rage that present stems from some of your comments. When you're pissed off at the topic, you talk to a specific person (or sometimes all MARPers) like they're nothing just to end it. It's that reason why you have so many so-called enemies, no one in their right mind would respect someone with that kind of abuse for nothing. Ya need to lighen up once in a while...get drunk or something and CHILL OUT. Okie?

I can't believe the results of this poll so far...although my screwed up mistake vote is likely going to blow the results of this poll given 66% (!@?!?!) needed.

I find it hard to believe in that vote for alphamame preferences for high scores that is overwhelmingly being approved to avoid cheating etc. yet those same players then vote to allow cheating within the gameplay.

If you really want to just cheat and play the games however you want why would you care about alphamame so much then? That's not consistent at all guys. I think as with the Outrun results something is suspicious here. Are all the JP players from Gamest that have accounts here just showing up and voting to approve it cuz they want MARP to just be like Gamest is with an anything goes policy?

It also disappoints me cuz I felt MARP had some real gamers. Oh well.
Ce la vie.

Whoa whoa there. Take a valium. Have a smoke. Yer jumpin' the gun.
According to the timestamps, this poll was started at 6:20 AM this morning, March 7th, U.S. Pacific Standard time. It's 9:52 PM now. So there's 6 days left of polling. Plus 165 members on this forum who haven't cast a vote yet.

Skyline, of course but from the other discussions etc. I didn't expect to see more than 2-3 votes approving of the trick over the whole week.

I figured it would follow what the alphamame vote would be..but isn't even close to being like that.

I'll chill though and not talk about it the rest of the entire week and let the voting happen. I am frustrated I screwed up with my vote though. I'm sure Novice laughed his ass off over that. I was thinking with the rephrasing of the poll question the vote would have to start over anyway...it didn't.

I still request Novice, or a MARP editor, please edit and remove that lame asinine comment in the description field for Novice's 2.2 million score.

...also address the fact he did change sensitivity during the game...where it seems this inp at least should be zeroed out because of that...even if this trick is approved or not that inp still has that issue.

At least he will waste another 2+ days to get another run like he had.

LN2 wrote:I can't believe the results of this poll so far...although my screwed up mistake vote is likely going to blow the results of this poll given 66% (!@?!?!) needed.

I do not know which will win, but 25-50% of players recognized that
as a trick not bug now.

Then, I send one of the most unforbidden trick now.
maybe this WILL DQ.

(gradius 3 invinsible)

It also disappoints me cuz I felt MARP had some real gamers. Oh well.
Ce la vie.

Real Gamers

Novice wrote:Then, I send one of the most unforbidden trick now.
maybe this WILL DQ.

(gradius 3 invinsible)

See guys? See MARP editors? This is just the start of Novice doing this for tons of games to stir up trouble and get tons of attention. I bet he's laughing at all this attention. It's his way of having fun here at MARP now instead of just competing at games using the same rules to play the game 90+% of all members at MARP follow.

He knows 35% support is all it takes to allow him to play games this way so he does it.

It's a dark age for MARP.

LN2 wrote:See guys? See MARP editors? This is just the start of Novice doing this for tons of games to stir up trouble and get tons of attention. I bet he's laughing at all this attention.

Just introduce the difference between bug and trick for you.

and I never laugh at this thread.
to tell the truth a little anger.

LN2 lost nothing even if which poll wins, but I may lost something.
because I am a victim.
generally victim never laugh.


YOU ARE NOISY,LN2.
I (and ALL OTHER MEN AROUND THIS THREAD)
ALREADY KNOW YOUR OPINION.
EVERYTHING I WANT TO KNOW AND YOU DID NOT TEACH ME IS,
where is your 6 million? only in your brain??

At least now we know about the bugs.

That invincibility bug should definitely be banned, IMO.

As for the 5up, uh... I think a bit more info on it is really needed. I didn't get just how it was achieved.

Skyline wrote:Whoa whoa there. Take a valium. Have a smoke. Yer jumpin' the gun.
According to the timestamps, this poll was started at 6:20 AM this morning, March 7th, U.S. Pacific Standard time. It's 9:52 PM now. So there's 6 days left of polling. Plus 165 members on this forum who haven't cast a vote yet.

You're right, but as Rick I suspect also something is wrong.

I've two question vor validation on a vote :

1. It's possible for one man who have several account to vote several times ? I hope no.

2. Should be possible to vote if we just create an account and we not post any scores yet ?

Francois