Outrun - Offroad or not.

[Novice]

Defcon=1

Of course they all have it cuz they all are from the same code base which has that bug so all games from it have that bug. My guess is testers didn't see that bug in normal play or even if they found it the company was like.....nah, no one will drive like that so we won't worry about it.

Open your mouth after understand what are
"Turbo out run" and "OUT RUNNERS".
Ignorance is ashame.
at least not worth to discuss.

SHUT UP STUPID MAN.

[QRS]

So.. where is YOUR evidence then Hisa? You just tells us to shut up and belive you? It seems that you are the only one that belives the game was meant to be played like this..

Until I see evidence of what you are saying (skip the name Outrun..) I will stick with my own "theory".. that the game was intended to be played like a normal racing game period.

And would you PLEASE stop call people bad things all the time?

We are trying to have a grown up discussion here, and all you are saying is "I´m right, you are wrong so shut the fuck up" or something simular..

please..

[LN2]

Defcon=1
Open your mouth after understand what are
"Turbo out run" and "OUT RUNNERS".
Ignorance is ashame.
at least not worth to discuss.

SHUT UP STUPID MAN.

It's really sad your life is so screwed up Hisa you feel you need to put down everyone else. You must be very lonely if you really treat people like that outside of the internet cuz no one would want that kind of treatment in their lives.

I realize English isn't your first language but even you must understand how nasty you are toward others calling them stupid and ignorant etc.

People with closed minds that won't even accept others having different opinions are ignorant. That's you Hisa. That is what is a shame.

I'm glad I don't know you outside of MARP. I have never known someone as evil as you are in these forums.

Also be glad I don't run MARP cuz I would have long banned you from it after all the warnings you have gotten nicely then later not so nicely asking you to stop being nasty toward other members.

I'm surprised the editors of MARP tolerate you. They must have a much larger degree of tolerance than I have.

[piot]

Ignorance is ashame.

Less than arrogance

at least not worth to discuss.

"discussing a topic means having a back and forth, give and take, conversation among members about the topic"

I agree with this definition but unfortunately it doesn't seem to fit with the way you "discuss". If for you discussing means "I'm right, you're wrong so SHUT UP" that simply means you haven't understood the SPIRIT of forums.

[Francois Daniel]

Companies back then just wanted the game to be stable. Small bugs like that even if they were aware of it they really didn't care cuz overall it doesn't change the ability of the game to generate revenue($) for the arcade.

Yes and I'm curious to see if the GBA version of the game have this cheat.

Francois

[BBH]

I agree with this definition but unfortunately it doesn't seem to fit with the way you "discuss". If for you discussing means "I'm right, you're wrong so SHUT UP" that simply means you haven't understood the SPIRIT of forums.

AAAHAHAHAHAHA

piot = winner of this thread

[LN2]

AAAHAHAHAHAHA

piot = winner of this thread

I think you missed my earlier post talking about the spirit of humanity.

BTW, what is that other control on Outrun for?

There are 2 buttons. 1 is for brakes/reverse. What is the other one for? It seems to do nothing....yet must be for something.

I hear this trick involves a gear shift? Is that what the other buttons is? a lo/hi gear shift? In racing it a few times I haven't noticed any difference from pressing this or not.

[QRS]

yep, a low and high gear + a brake.

[Novice]

Defcon=3

I agree with this definition but unfortunately it doesn't seem to fit with the way you "discuss". If for you discussing means "I'm right, you're wrong so SHUT UP" that simply means you haven't understood the SPIRIT of forums.

You have missed the most important thing.

I do not want to say "I am right,you are wrong so shut up".

I simply require same play for them who want to ban this trick.
No one can not.

then I say same thing for the no-skill,no-knowledge,no-effort guys.
Arrogant???
I think all other guys who blame man for one's impossible trick is much more arrogant.
No-skill guy must be silent about it.
is it wrong?? already 21 guys against this trick.
but no one show me who can it.
it is incredible rude act I think.

[QRS]

Well I can only speak for myself, and I CAN do the trick/bug or whatever it is.. I have done it many times back in the arcades, but as I have stated before I will NOT do it and upload it to MARP. Even if the trick will be allowed I will not used it period. I don´t fancy playing like that, and it takes away the spirit of the game for ME.

Same thing with Toki. I can leech my ass on that game if I want and submit a score that beats the current firstplaces. I will not do that though. Why? cause I don´t like playing like that. Even if I am allowed to do that on MARP.

Just my opinions, and my point of view in this matter.

[piot]

Defcon=3
I simply require same play for them who want to ban this trick.
No one can not.
[snip]
No-skill guy must be silent about it.

I've never said the way you play is an easy way but the point is not there. Whatever the skill needed is, you use (in my opinion) a trick that give you advantage. I am not there to judge how the trick is hard to do.

Arrogance?

Yes you're arrogant!
First in your posts. You claim having understood the SPIRIT of this game. How someone can sincerelly think such a thing. Only the one who create OUTRUN could claim it.
Second in your scores comment. I'm not sure writing bad words about MARP player ("Even if Some stupid players blame..." is an example) is a good way to show how you're fair play, aren't you ? If you have problems with some of us try to solve them here in the forum and not in the score pages.
Finally if I follow what you told, more than a half of MARP players should be stupid because they voted against the trick.

[Skyline]

More useless info...
I don't know exactly if Hisa's completion time can be matched or beat by staying on the road, but say for instance if it was, the score would be a few million higher, since the score increases as the car speeds down the road. The score stops whenever you go off-road, since the game treats it as if you weren't even moving at all. So a more realistic goal would be to beat Hisa's overall by time staying on the road thus keeping the score increase constant. The game becomes a bit easier if you use the trick...you don't have to worry about oncoming traffic during sharp turns. The only hard part really is shifting the gears just right, or else you will slow down. So in these respects it can be treated as a bug, but then again it's a trade-off since you sacrifice a possible few million points in the process. There's nothing wrong really with this trick if you look at it like that, you're actually being penalized by the in-game scoring system for using it. But as a technique used in excess in order to minimize the challenge of the game, it's very dubious. Hisa's .inp was more on the good point than the bad, going offroad as part of the strategic element of the game. There were points where he could have stayed on the road, as there were small turns early on with traffic that could be maneuvered through with minimal effort. I didn't get a chance to check out the .inps on http://yuri.sakura.ne.jp/~teko/replay.html , but I bet that player used this technique more dubiously since the added seconds remaining would more than make up for it. I think the gear trick can be also used as sort of a powerslide technique duing turns as well...it worked for me a few times, of course I always ended up slamming into a truck but that's besides the point

[LN2]

Skyline, you do bring up a good point in that the scoring system of Outrun is what causes this to really be an issue. Why on earth is that final bonus so large?

You get only around 12 million for the actual racing part...then 1 million bonus per second left?

It's odd when you score 12 million then get a 40 million bonus.
If that was only more like Pole Position where that final bonus is more like 5-10k so only a fraction of the total score I'd bet we really wouldn't care about the trick Hisa is using to get the high score cuz it would likely be a score that possibly could be matched then. He isn't off the road where he is losing 3 million as suggested above. That would be 25% of the entire race. He might be losing 500,000 to 1 million cuz of being off the road...but he certainly is making up much more than 1 second which more than compensates in score. I saw his section split times. They are all 4-5 seconds faster than I have ever had for any of them. That trick gains him 2-3+ seconds on a couple of those sharp turns. I'd bet he gains at least 2-3 seconds overall just from the more direct line thus shorter distance traveled cutting off a few turns here and there offroad...then another 5+ seconds from maintaining speed doing it.

Once he hit 293mph in stage 1 he didn't fall off of that until halfway through stage 4. Are you saying anyone staying on the road could maintain 293 for 3 entire stages?

That bonus is so large though there is no way anyone can get those types of scores without using the trick. Watch his 52 million run if you haven't yet. I finally decided to watch it last night and it's worse than I expected it would be. He is at times nowhere near the road...yet flying along at max speed around a hairpin turn or cutting across the cornfield to cut off the turn shortening the course...without any slowdown. There is no way you can say driving across a corn field or flower field without slowing down at all was in the spirit of the designer or intended to be part of the game. Now there are a few turns in his run where going offroad and maintaining speed he is making the turn much wider versus someone staying on the road and able to hug the inside part of the turn...evne slowing down a little bit...might come through that entire turn in slightly less time.

He does race it well though in stretches on the road so I give him some credit for having skill playing the game. I would like to see a run where he does that the entire game though. I would be interested in what score he could get racing it as intended.

[Skyline]

Once he hit 293mph in stage 1 he didn't fall off of that until halfway through stage 4. Are you saying anyone staying on the road could maintain 293 for 3 entire stages?

Losing about 2 or 3 seconds off the clock would be the price of taking some of the sharper turns at full speed without giving an inch, or maybe not. The traffic in this game is all patterned anyways, so it's a matter of memorizing which cars go where, which cars change lanes, etc., on top of memorizing the order of turns on the road. On some of the more sharper turns your car starts zipping harshly along across lanes while still at 293 MPH, only to regain control if
a.) you hit a car or truck (which I ALWAYS do.. )
b.) you crash into a pain inducing object on the side of the road
c.) you go off the road in a cornfield, etc which slows you down, or
d.) you actually use the brake or shift gears quickly to reduce speed.
A more conservative use of the gear trick would be to use it just as the turn is about to end, and you're on the verge of going off the road. That way you end up "riding the curb" so to speak, and since you didn't decelerate, you didn't lose any seconds. Plus factor in the points earned while making the turn in the first place. And I don't know if the score stops if only two wheels are off the road at one time..

Sidenote: Now I'm playing the game obsessively because of all this...

[QRS]

Yes, the cars follows a pattern.. but that pattern changes and if you just lose 1 second somewhere you will don´t have a clue to where the cars will appear