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For me, this has nothing to do with easy or hard. It has to do with playing the game by the "rules". If you play in an arcade just to put up a score for fun, I would have no problem playing Cameltry like that.

On a replay site with competition it is a different thing though. We must strive to find rules that makes an even competition and so close to the way the game was intended to be played.

For me, these kinds of tricks/bugs (in all games, not just cameltry) etc are amazing to watch and sometimes involves more skill than playing the original way. On the other hand other examples may involve less skill than the ordinary way to play the game.

I still hope that Zwaxy can make a new automatic tricks page so recordings using strange bugs etc can be updated more often, and most of all finds a place for them on MARP where they belong and can be watched, admired etc. I don´t want those recordings to be deleted forever. I really like watching them BUT I don´t like them for competition. That´s my point.

And once again, for me it has nothing to do with more skill/less skill in this matter. The warping/sweet spot thingie might be harder than the original way of playing the game.

I have no idea if I could manage to break 2mil, 3mil or max out the score on cameltry using this trick. Maybe I can, maybe not. For me that is not relevant, as I have no intention to play the game like that. Why? Because (for ME) it takes away all aspects of fun in the game period.

Maybe we can move on and stop insulting eachother and have some peace on the board now? Most of us are adults and we should all strive to act like that right?

Cheers!

QRS wrote:I still hope that Zwaxy can make a new automatic tricks page so recordings using strange bugs etc can be updated more often, and most of all finds a place for them on MARP where they belong and can be watched, admired etc. I don´t want those recordings to be deleted forever. I really like watching them BUT I don´t like them for competition. That´s my point.

We have already talked about this and we all agreed but nothing has been done about it:

viewtopic.php?t=10252

LN2 wrote: yes, there is a little luck for the warp to get your ball into/onto the wall so you can then guide the ball into the "sweet spot"....not much luck to keep it there once in there...cuz it requires a warp to get back out of it actually. As long as you don't jerk the controls once in the spot and don't use your bump button too much, you will stay in the spot.

Not entirely true. Maybe true with in the middle of open space-round bumber spot you and Hisa leeched, let's call that G-spot?
Not true at other sweet spots though. I do get thrown away without doing anything. Seems to me that even more likely get thrown away, if near bumber is some "wood" not "rock".

Yes, after 9,9 u can not get better. But then it would come to fastest finish with 9,9M. Would need to be very lucky run to finish in minimum time
Yes, Mori had plenty of time. He did get allmost 5M at level 2 though. If he would leech at different bumbers, not same levels he does now. He might be able to finish even more faster. Those bumbers are the wooden ones...maybe that's why he don't do it there. He also leeched at 4 bumbers I think, 3 should be enough, if not thrown away, maybe 2 enough... He could be godlike though That inp maybe only one try of few, maybe he could get better at arcade...with altered spinner
I'd like to know what kind of controls he uses, does he use only spinner?

Tommi

P.S. I don't have anything against creating Cameltry-warp category at Marp, maybe for only main romset. Then you should get some kind of bonus points from faster finishing time...if can get 10M...

MJS wrote:

QRS wrote:I still hope that Zwaxy can make a new automatic tricks page so recordings using strange bugs etc can be updated more often, and most of all finds a place for them on MARP where they belong and can be watched, admired etc. I don´t want those recordings to be deleted forever. I really like watching them BUT I don´t like them for competition. That´s my point.

We have already talked about this and we all agreed but nothing has been done about it:

viewtopic.php?t=10252

I know MJS. The only one that can do it though is Zwaxy, and as he is the founder of this site (and not so often here) it is his choice if he wants to do it at all. I have talked with him a few times about it, and he is positive to the idea. When/if it will be done is up to him though.

Francois Daniel wrote:
The fair one is who can see his own mistakes. Congrats for that Hisa.

Francois

What is mistakes?
My attitude never changes.
I always respect "THE GAME PLAYER" who proves ones opinion by his play. no-exception.
TJT is the FIRST MARPER(and only one marper) who does the sweet spot play by himself these 8 months.
I recognize what he says are "WORTHY OPINION" (because he already know about the trick.).
everything other mens wrotes are "WORTHLESS COMPLAIN".

my general attitude "OPEN YOUR MOUTH AFTER DO IT BY YOURSELF"
never changes.
and simply bow down "THE MAN WHO DID IT BY HIMSELF".

8 months ago, Many players who can not do blame me and try to defend their (proper high score) LB points.
and never admit the right(sorry, higher score is always right in our world)
play even in 1 romset.
#I want outrun style (1 set for free play and 3 sets for course play) but QRS and LN2 (top players at that time) scream and reject to defend their LB points. I was very disappointed. because many men who do not know the trick(can not=do not know) can not have any worthy opinion of course.
so I define everything who can not do by himself says are "COMPLAIN".

btw, TJT has higher skill upon normal play than I.
if he master that trick, I do not have any chance to win at all.
so...... I do not care sweet spot was admit or not.

It is time to play donpachi.
2-5 is too difficult to carry out pattern.

Novice wrote:

Francois Daniel wrote:
The fair one is who can see his own mistakes. Congrats for that Hisa.

Francois

What is mistakes?
My attitude never changes.
I always respect "THE GAME PLAYER" who proves ones opinion by his play. no-exception.
TJT is the FIRST MARPER(and only one marper) who does the sweet spot play by himself these 8 months.
I recognize what he says are "WORTHY OPINION" (because he already know about the trick.).
everything other mens wrotes are "WORTHLESS COMPLAIN".

my general attitude "OPEN YOUR MOUTH AFTER DO IT BY YOURSELF"
never changes.
and simply bow down "THE MAN WHO DID IT BY HIMSELF".

8 months ago, Many players who can not do blame me and try to defend their (proper high score) LB points.
and never admit the right(sorry, higher score is always right in our world)
play even in 1 romset.
#I want outrun style (1 set for free play and 3 sets for course play) but QRS and LN2 (top players at that time) scream and reject to defend their LB points. I was very disappointed. because many men who do not know the trick(can not=do not know) can not have any worthy opinion of course.
so I define everything who can not do by himself says are "COMPLAIN".

btw, TJT has higher skill upon normal play than I.
if he master that trick, I do not have any chance to win at all.
so...... I do not care sweet spot was admit or not.

It is time to play donpachi.
2-5 is too difficult to carry out pattern.

"Do your best you have ever done."

Novice wrote:
#I want outrun style (1 set for free play and 3 sets for course play) but QRS and LN2 (top players at that time) scream and reject to defend their LB points.

I didn´t scream, (It was a discussion) talked about Leaderboard points (cause I don´t really care about that), I just don´t like the way Outrun is played using that trick. That is a big difference. I respect your opinion about the trick but can you respect mine?

Can we move on now please...

Novice wrote:TJT is the FIRST MARPER(and only one marper) who does the sweet spot play by himself these 8 months.

Ok, look who is lying now.

I had a replay file showing me doing the warping 1 day after you asked me for one. The fact you don't have a mac or access to a mac to watch it isn't my problem. I'd bet you have some friend(s) that have a mac so if you seriously wanted to watch it or any of my other replays you could have. Macs are all over the place in Japan. I also gave you a screenshot showing the score which was a score only possible from successfully doing the warps.

Of course you called me a liar once again and accused me of making up the screenshot.

I have stated I had done the warping "trick" and found it quite easier than I thought it would be overall.

I don't know what your problem is Hisa where you think everyone is lying or deceiving you until they provide 100% proof that you can view yourself to see it.

That is YOUR attitude problem though. Stop putting others down because of YOUR problems.

It's clear in my case even if I had a replay file you could have successfully watched you still would say I cheated or faked it somehow....like you have for other replay files I have pointed out to you like my Nibbler replay files.

What motive do I have to fake up a screenshot or claim I did something in a replay file or any of my scores here? Eventually someone else with a mac or access to a mac will watch them. Gaming integrity and honor is very important to me.

That is why even if I did it on a friend's PC I see it as pointless cuz you have proven to me and all others here that you still will show me disrespect calling me a cheater and liar etc.

Qt Quazar has access to a mac at times so can verify my replay files that only play back in macmame only. However, he hasn't been around much the past 6 months. Even then the only replay files he watched of mine were a couple of the Major Havoc ones cuz we were competing at that game. I also had said in macmame playing the game with sound wasn't an issue like it seems to be in the pc-mames. QT tried it and discovered I was correct...the game actually plays better in macmame.

Most people show others respect by assuming their scores etc. are correct and honestly played until proven otherwise. You seem to do exactly the opposite which is your first level of showing disrespect toward others.

All are worthless, unskilled, liars and cheaters in your mind until they can somehow prove otherwise.

Do you see the disrespect in that view?!?

I want outrun style (1 set for free play and 3 sets for course play) but QRS and LN2 (top players at that time) scream and reject to defend their LB points. I was very disappointed.

Geesh you are clueless. I don't even have any Outrun scores posted here...so what LB points was I defending? I had NO personal motive at all to take the position I did for Outrun.

When I bring up cases about games it hbas NOTHING to do with my LB points. There have been several other replay files using techniques I have brought to the attention in these forums also for games where I have NO score submitted so have no LB points I'm trying to save.

For example the Pepper II thread I just started.

I always take the stance as a gamer....who wants to play the games as intended and designed...not using tricks...not exploiting a bug(s) in the code to do things in the game that you really aren't supposed to be able to do.

If you want to have a true anything goes then allow the cheat.dat so we can all have infinite lives and/or be invunerable to enemies. That would allow for much higher scores. Yeah, higher scores mean more skill. Let's all instantly get more skilled at these games by allowing cheats to be used!

Cmon...games have rules and the rules define the game. Change the rules and you have changed the game. It can still be a game if all compete using those same rules...but only then. As I said I wouldn't mind the Outrun off-road trick...or even the Cameltry warp thing...but IF and ONLY IF they are tracked separately. You are playing the game with different rules in those cases that allows for much higher scores. To track them separately would still allow those that want to play the game with the normal rules to compete for that tracking of score...with the others competing for a separate record/track.

However, MARP doesn't want to split up games in that manner. It would result in 100s of splits for games...plus in many cases makes playing the game that way pointless or turns it into a marathon game in some cases(like if you allowed the 255 men Mr Do trick).

You take the stance that anything the code allows you to do is totally legit. That's fine. However, it has been proven over and over again long before I even joined MARP that an anything goes policy isn't what MARP allows. MARP had already banned techniques and tricks for many games before I joined.

btw, TJT has higher skill upon normal play than I.

So do QRS and I...you are nothing beyond newbie skill at the game based on your replay file I viewed. That alone was evidence the warping trick doesn't require all that much skill...cuz if it did require a lot of skill then you would have had far more skill at the "normal" game than you showed.

if he master that trick, I do not have any chance to win at all.
so...... I do not care sweet spot was admit or not.

You win or lose events. This is a scoreboard. It's not about winning and losing. It's about showing skills at playing games the way the games were designed to be played.

There is a separate tricks area that is for replays showing tricks of flaws in games that are essentially breaking the rules of the game or exploiting a bug that aren't allowed at MARP. I didn't personally decide on any of these. MARP decided it.

Novice wrote: The fair one is who can see his own mistakes. Congrats for that Hisa.
What is mistakes?
My attitude never changes..

Oops ! You don't understand me. I just want to congrats you for your fair answer for the Tommi's inp

Novice wrote: TJT is the FIRST MARPER(and only one marper) who does the sweet spot play by himself these 8 months.

Hmm. It seem to me that I post here an inp (maybe a photo, I don't remember exactly) where I show I'm in a sweet post. But, I made a lot of continue for make it (I don't like make continue). I think one day (when Ill have the time) I try to make try without continue because I've now a very good mouse for make it and I think this trick is cool and it's the kind of trick I'd use in arcade if I konw it.

Novice wrote:8 months ago, Many players who can not do blame me and try to defend their (proper high score) LB points.

Yes my score is very high so, I defend it for the points it give me in the LB No, I don't care for my score in this game because it's too small (I didn't even know if it done me a LB point)

Novice wrote: It is time to play donpachi.
2-5 is too difficult to carry out pattern

A great game. Good luck for your play

Francois

It is time to play donpachi.
2-5 is too difficult to carry out pattern.

Good luck and keep practicing Hisa. There are a lot of people at marp who want to see how to clear the last few levels.

Oh well. It wouldn't be the first time in my life I've wasted 15 minutes...

JoustGod wrote:

Oh well. It wouldn't be the first time in my life I've wasted 15 minutes...

And not the last either!! j/k

lol...after posting that, I was thinking the exact same thing Anders.

hippies....