LAST CALL on gunbird recordings

Chad · Post by **Chad** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 11:48 am

Please someone try any gunbird recordings to see if they can get it to playback. any gunbirdj recording i try seems to playback fine but gunbird can't playback. (yes (even if you recorded it) you can try your own recording and report if it playsback or not to prevent it from being wiped as long as others can play it back too..)

http://marp.retrogames.com/inp/bbh_gunb ... mame57.zip

http://marp.retrogames.com/inp/jfa_gunb ... _win58.zip

http://marp.retrogames.com/inp/arx_gunb ... mame57.zip

To Any mame source guru: If it is true that one clone can playback and another can not, it would be REALLY interesting to figure out the code differences between the drivers of the two clones to see why one might playback and another not.

Frankie · Post by **Frankie** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 2:00 pm

I can't get any of the recordings to play back using the announched emulators either.

Best I can do:

BBH - 91700 with sound is the best I can do. It goes out of sync at the start of the second stage.

JFA - 28900 without sound.

ARX - 15700 with sound.

Would it help to get these players cfg files?

Bye.

Chad · Post by **Chad** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 2:56 pm

Frankie: if you can playback the other clone's (gunbirdj) recordings (like i can) it's probably a broken playback feature in mame, and cfgs probably won't help, but i've been wrong before.

Jinx · Post by **Jinx** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 4:28 pm

I played them all back to the advertised scores using win32 v.58

bbh's recording need -nosound

jfa and arx with sound

Chad · Post by **Chad** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 6:06 pm

whoa cool, JINX: can you report here your sound options in the sound tab of mame32? thanks.

Jinx · Post by **Jinx** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 9:16 pm

All boxes checked and samplerate is set to 44100.

Played around a bit with jfa's recording and it played back at all settings I tried as long as the sound was on. Without sound it doesnt even start at the correct level and ends at 19K....

Jinx · Post by **Jinx** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 9:22 pm

BTW the rom changed in v.57 and I use the older rom.

Chad · Post by **Chad** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 10:05 pm

HMM, that could explain a lot of things. i have the latest greatest version of gunbird since i don't get any rom errors and i still can't play it back. i didn't know the rom changed, i don't even have a record of it changing (i usually back up rom changes but there's no gunbird backup i made...). but mame.dk says it changed, but they don't have the stats on which rom changed:

the funny thing is when i try to play gunbird with my rom for mame37b16 i don't get any errors, you'd think if the rom really did change it would report an error, unless there was a file added. But if there was a file added then those people who have the old rom should have a gunbird error in their mame32 audit. Jinx what does your audit say on the gunbird rom you have?

Post by **mahlemiut** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 10:37 pm

From what I can tell, the only changes to gunbird from 0.56->0.57 was that the Korean version was added, and became the parent set [gunbird]. The japanese version that was the parent set was simply moved to gunbirdj. The files and their CRCs for gunbird in 0.56 match those for gunbirdj in 0.57.

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C:\mame>mame56 gunbird -listroms
This is the list of the ROMs required for driver "gunbird".
Name              Size       Checksum
1-u46.bin      262144 bytes  474abd69
2-u39.bin      262144 bytes  3e3e661f
3-u71.bin      131072 bytes  2168e4ba
u14.bin       2097152 bytes  7d7e8a00
u24.bin       2097152 bytes  5e3ffc9d
u15.bin       2097152 bytes  a827bfb5
u25.bin       1048576 bytes  ef652e0c
u33.bin       2097152 bytes  54494e6b
u33.bin       2097152 bytes  54494e6b
u64.bin        524288 bytes  e187ed4f
u56.bin       1048576 bytes  9e07104d
u3.bin         262144 bytes  0905aeb2

C:\mame>mame57 gunbird -listroms
This is the list of the ROMs required for driver "gunbird".
Name              Size       Checksum
1k-u46.bin     524288 bytes  745cee52
2k-u39.bin     524288 bytes  669632fb
k3-u71.bin     131072 bytes  11994055
u14.bin       2097152 bytes  7d7e8a00
u24.bin       2097152 bytes  5e3ffc9d
u15.bin       2097152 bytes  a827bfb5
u25.bin       1048576 bytes  ef652e0c
u33.bin       2097152 bytes  54494e6b
u33.bin       2097152 bytes  54494e6b
u64.bin        524288 bytes  e187ed4f
u56.bin       1048576 bytes  9e07104d
u3.bin         262144 bytes  0905aeb2

C:\mame>mame57 gunbirdj -listroms
This is the list of the ROMs required for driver "gunbirdj".
Name              Size       Checksum
1-u46.bin      262144 bytes  474abd69
2-u39.bin      262144 bytes  3e3e661f
3-u71.bin      131072 bytes  2168e4ba
u14.bin       2097152 bytes  7d7e8a00
u24.bin       2097152 bytes  5e3ffc9d
u15.bin       2097152 bytes  a827bfb5
u25.bin       1048576 bytes  ef652e0c
u33.bin       2097152 bytes  54494e6b
u33.bin       2097152 bytes  54494e6b
u64.bin        524288 bytes  e187ed4f
u56.bin       1048576 bytes  9e07104d
u3.bin         262144 bytes  0905aeb2

Also, I can't get BBH's recording to playback under either DOS or Win32 (without sound of course). Almost immediate death in both cases.

Chad · Post by **Chad** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 11:12 pm

I tried removing the 1-, 2-, 3- roms from gunbird.zip to "pretend" like it was the old rom and still couldn't play it back.

jinkx: i'm dying to know what your gunbird.zip crc's are.

Jinx · Post by **Jinx** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 2:44 am

I think I found out whats wrong. Hiscore.dat

I made a new install of mame and got the scores that frankie reported.
And putting the hiscore.dat file in there did the trick.

I'll send my hiscore.dat file over to chad

And for the roms, turn's out I acctualy had updated them

Chad · Post by **Chad** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 12:41 am

damn, who knew that the random seed takes information from hiscore.dat??? this is indeed sucky, anyways i still can't get bbh's to playback with a different highscore.dat BUT i can make it playback to 226k not 91k anymore, so hiscore.dat does play a part in it. jeesh will we have to require to remove hiscore.dat for playing back things??? ugh i'll still keep trying but the hiscore.dat jinx sent me: don't work for me yet.

http://members.cts.com/king/c/churritz/hiscore.zip

Post by **mahlemiut** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 2:48 am

Many games will generate their own 'random' numbers by using RAM contents (which would include any high scores) as a seed. That's why .hi files should be deleted before recordign like with .nv files. I'm not exactly sure of how hiscore.dat operates with MAME, as I don't use it myself, but I think it does still use .hi files? Right?

Maybe a new feature needs to be added to inps, to include a save state (like Kawaks or Nebula), but of course, that would require save states working perfectly with ALL drivers. And that would take some time to happen.

Jinx · Post by **Jinx** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 12:14 pm

On bbh's recording I get 226k to when I use sound.

What do you get on the other 2

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Fri Apr 05, 2002 12:38 pm

What is changed?
The tilemap now are updated at startup and not during emulation,courtesy of David Haywood...