sketchy playtactics ? you be the judge

[Krool]

jgustavo - 1943 - 2nd place
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i watched this replay, and closely (like all i watch) and i suspect FOUL play...autofires and MAYBE not 100% fps, like way off (im unsure)

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3way -
fires all 6-8 shots instantly, virtually impossible, this makes gaps in the shots that are noticible, thus is firing really fast.when he goes closer to the top of the screen the shots are so fast, definition AUTOFIRE

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auto -
doesnt have gaps, this is hard enough to time if you hold it for the 1-2 seconds and then quickly relese then repress, the only way to make this NOT show gaps is to auto fire

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shell -
haaaaha, its firing SLOWER than the game, its auto anyway and fires off VERY fast, however, if auto is used, it goes slower!

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i compared it to my game to see if i was seeing anything (i DONT use autos) and all these things i noticed arent in my game so...

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either an auto is being used, or he isnt playing at 100% fps. if not at 100% then the 3way thing can appear, but the rest is a no, so it could be a mix of both

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any comments ? or am i just looking too hard ? afterall i know this game inside out

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by the way, he got an excellent score...which i must say is impressive, like most of his other scores...

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Krool.

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kellyq@ihug.co.nz

[BeeJay]

The sooner someone on the Mame Team can have a playback show the FPS for a recording instead of the FPS on the machine playing it back the better. This information would need to be embedded directly into the inp file in such a way as to make it near impossible to edit the information without breaking the recording.
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Of course this still would not help with the auto-fire problem but as Krool has so rightly stated anyone who knows a game backwards can normally determine if someone is firing at a seemingly humanly impossible rate.

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Juan - perhaps you'd care to advise what spec machine you're using, what FPS rate your recordings are done at and whether or not you're using an auto-fire.

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Zwaxy - how's about you posting something to the Mame Dev's list-server suggesting that FPS rates are embedded into the inp files during recording and these figures are displayed during playback instead of the FPS actually being achieved on the machine doing the playback ?!

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BeeJay.

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bjohnstone@cardinal.co.nz

[GOD Inc.]

Hmmm, I've been out of the scene a while (playing HalfLife and Baldurs
Gate). I come back to find J Gustavo on 40 1st places with only few
2nd and 3rds. Me thinks that someone isn't playing at 100% FPS as some
of the scores are amazing.

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Of particular interest to me was the Gunsmoke scores as I was a wizard
at this game in the arcade. I am astounded by the scores posted -
haven't checked out the .inps yet but I'm sure I would be able to tell
from the tactics used. Watch this space.

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The reason why I can't do gunsmoke on MAME is cos in the arcade you
could press multiple fire buttons simutaneously and alter the angle of
you shots but it doesn't work on keyboard - shame as its my all time
favourite game.

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Until the MAME team comes up with FPS rates embedded into the .inps I
think we can never be sure of the scores.

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If JGustavo did do these scores at 100%FPS and no Autofire then I doff
my hat to him, but personally I believe that these weren't achieved at
100%FPS.

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Of course if the MAME team do put FPS into .INPS what do we then do
with old scores to validate them ??? I would think that I could match
if not beat most of my scores again but some of the scores that take
hours of playtime may be a right Bast!

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griffith500@hotmail.com

[stephen krogman]

God, made an interseting comment. I thought it was just me, but
Gustavo's stats stuck out like a sour thumb on the leaderboard. If
he were to better just 4 games, he would have close to 50 1st place
scores no 2nd, and no 3rd with only being on the MARP scene a few
months? I've been around mame for about a year now, and I play the
hell out of it trying to get mostly 1st place scores, I don't use any
kind of enhancement what so ever. Including frame skipping. It just
seems like within the past few months, it's been almost impossible to
move up the ladder when aventually more then 50% of your uploads are
allready knocked down within a week! as well as some of the older
1st place inps I had have been destroyed by a rather large margin and
all within the past 2-3 months? The best thing to do when in
question about a players inp, is to have marpers watch the inp closly
and submit their input which we can all vote on. I was the first to
bring up the track n field score of 95K and change and when a few
players watched it for their selves, they agreed with me, and then
aventually the truth came out a gamepad was used. I just don't
understand why that inp is still up there... oh well, just my $.02 on
this matter.

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skrogman@concentric.net