Leaderboard removal ?

[simpsons99]

there you go...

[Kale]

Again, I'm not speaking about your achievements, I'm speaking about your damn garbage, that is:

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Arabian Fight: 7k, about at 3rd level (and game isn't that hard in the first place, at least up to that point ...)
Aurail: 82k, 1% for a 1cc
Bombs Away: GNW, shouldn't give points in the first place (there was a MARP rule for these or I'm wrong?)
Boomer Rang'r / Genesis: 50k
B.Rap Boys Special: inps aren't consistant, an editor should archive these ones ...
Catt: mid-point for a 1cc
Casino Fever: gambling
DJ Boy: 166k, level 2?
Tenchi wo Kurau: 95k
Exzisus: 382k
Funny Strip: another broken game
Gang Hunter: your second or third play on it, presumably
Head Panic: this time your first and second plays on it?
Heavy Unit: I think I've did more on my first play ...
Iron (Commando): 32k
Iron Fortress (Japan): played at 24% of regulation speed, well done sir.
Knuckle Bash 2 (bootleg): 200k
Knights of Valour 1/2: you get 2nd/3rd boss on these ones, 8-in-1
Kung-Fu Taikun: 72k
Lock-On: you even admit you never played this before ...
Mad Alien: 30k
Mirax: 41k
Mouser: 69k
Mazin Wars: 42k
Alien Syndrome (Mega-Tech): another round 2 ...
Columns (Mega-Tech): 52k
Oriental Legend: another 2-in-1
Safari : a game you don't like ...
Pushman: another first play
Sai Yu Gou Ma Roku: another first play
Sea Hunter Penguin: another game you don't like ...
Violent Storm: 1m, mediocre
Western Gun Part II: 7k, real joke

And these are just the 1STs, and I've skipped some just because I totally don't know them.

For some, leaderboard whoring is fun. Some don't take this stuff as serious as others and just enjoy playing different games and competing on a leaderboard. Others spend enourmous amounts of time perfecting a few games and think being number one on those few titles is rewarding. Some are casual gamers who will never be good enough to hold a #1 spot on a highly contested title so they compete on other games and the leaderboard. Some are bat shit amazingly tallented who can seemingly destroy a game anytime they put their mind to it. Can't we all just get along and have fund doing our own thing?

This contradicts about the whole point of MARP, that is:

2. If MAME's goal, as Nicola Salmoria has stated, is to emulate the arcade game as closely as possible, then MARP's goal is to emulate the experience of "watching a virtual master play an arcade game", true to the arcade experience, as closely as possible.

Because obviously, we all search on YouTube or NicoNicoDouga for players that plays for the first time on a given game, oh yeah.

[Zhorik]

Also keep in mind MARP Rule 2n - "Submit only games that you feel are worthy of the notice of other MARPers, owing either to personal effort, or display of skill"

I think the leaderboard actively encourages violation of this rule. When do we get to vote?

-George

[Zerstorung]

That's a double-edged sword. While the leaderboard can create some ill incentives and cause sub-optimal play on clone romsets and gambling games, it can also serve as encouragement for players to push for higher scores on games that are genuinely underplayed, creating replays of higher value to the community that may not otherwise be made. It's possible we could get by without it, but I don't see any reason to remove it outright besides sidestepping the work of regulating it.

However, if there are no plans to regulate it, then I concede its removal as a working solution.

[dickmoreland]

Also keep in mind MARP Rule 2n - "Submit only games that you feel are worthy of the notice of other MARPers, owing either to personal effort, or display of skill"

-George

If my statement contradicts what MARP is all about then I guess I need to consider not being part of this anymore. I play games to have fun and if a bunch of folks are gonna act like jerks because mine/others gameplay isn't good enough for them, then I am most certainly not going to part of that.

That rule 2n is about as dumb as it gets. Not only is it subjective but if a few who have posted in this thread were the police of this rule, then two thirds of the inp's on this site should just be deleted. You could justify deleting all of the gambling game scores based on this rule. Also, if you're going to follow this rule, then scores from competition should almost never be posted. Why have a rule if you aren't going to enforce it except when you want to make someone feel bad?

Happy gaming.

[simpsons99]

TY I completely agree with this.

These people are way to picky on the games they play..

I like to play everything sure i could stick with Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Junior or Donkey Kong 3 ... I want to play everything .. Heck if i wanted to just play those games i would'nt be here playing these.. I would be in my own game room playing them.

TG Has no problems with my scores. Either do other websites that i allso post scores for and from my Live Streaming on Twitch TV.

Belive me i don'nt have to post my scores here I can take my scores else where.

Also keep in mind MARP Rule 2n - "Submit only games that you feel are worthy of the notice of other MARPers, owing either to personal effort, or display of skill"

-George

If my statement contradicts what MARP is all about then I guess I need to consider not being part of this anymore. I play games to have fun and if a bunch of folks are gonna act like jerks because mine/others gameplay isn't good enough for them, then I am most certainly not going to part of that.

That rule 2n is about as dumb as it gets. Not only is it subjective but if a few who have posted in this thread were the police of this rule, then two thirds of the inp's on this site should just be deleted. You could justify deleting all of the gambling game scores based on this rule. Also, if you're going to follow this rule, then scores from competition should almost never be posted. Why have a rule if you aren't going to enforce it except when you want to make someone feel bad?

Happy gaming.

[Kale]

Also keep in mind MARP Rule 2n - "Submit only games that you feel are worthy of the notice of other MARPers, owing either to personal effort, or display of skill"

-George

If my statement contradicts what MARP is all about then I guess I need to consider not being part of this anymore. I play games to have fun and if a bunch of folks are gonna act like jerks because mine/others gameplay isn't good enough for them, then I am most certainly not going to part of that.

That rule 2n is about as dumb as it gets. Not only is it subjective but if a few who have posted in this thread were the police of this rule, then two thirds of the inp's on this site should just be deleted. You could justify deleting all of the gambling game scores based on this rule. Also, if you're going to follow this rule, then scores from competition should almost never be posted. Why have a rule if you aren't going to enforce it except when you want to make someone feel bad?

Happy gaming.

Oh well, I take quality over quantity all days. Because well, I once was just like simpsons99, and got WAY more police abuse than this thread (go figure). But then realized that putting shit inps on this site is just a waste of my and others time. And dunno you, but I quite don't like being judged bad by anybody just because I've exploited the faults of the system.

Before I forgot, I consider you to be a good player, anyway.

[RAX]

Also keep in mind MARP Rule 2n - "Submit only games that you feel are worthy of the notice of other MARPers, owing either to personal effort, or display of skill"
I think the leaderboard actively encourages violation of this rule.

I Completely agree with this.

That rule 2n is about as dumb as it gets. Not only is it subjective but if a few who have posted in this thread were the police of this rule, then two thirds of the inp's on this site should just be deleted.

I don't think that they should be deleted, but for sure they are useless.

You could justify deleting all of the gambling game scores based on this rule.

Yea, I personally would delete them, but (given MARP's reason to exist) I only ask to archive them.

Also, if you're going to follow this rule, then scores from competition should almost never be posted.

Competitions are worthy of the notice of other MARPers.


Let me say that remove the leaderboard should be the very last option, but the reason for it to exist is to give a reasonable response.
Actual one is ruined by gambling games, and IMO by tablegames and clones.

About weak scores, I think the problem is not their submission, when they deservedly enter in 27th place. The problem is that we often see recordings that would go to 27th place in parent romset, but go 1st because they are recorded on a new clone identical to the parent.
Years ago there weren't so many clones in MAME: if we will finally succeed in archive gamblings here, I think next step sould be to talk about a new clone management for MARP. But please, first of all, gamblings.

[Zhorik]

Also keep in mind MARP Rule 2n - "Submit only games that you feel are worthy of the notice of other MARPers, owing either to personal effort, or display of skill"

That rule 2n is about as dumb as it gets. Not only is it subjective but if a few who have posted in this thread were the police of this rule, then two thirds of the inp's on this site should just be deleted. You could justify deleting all of the gambling game scores based on this rule. Also, if you're going to follow this rule, then scores from competition should almost never be posted. Why have a rule if you aren't going to enforce it except when you want to make someone feel bad?

Rule 2n has never been used (that I know of) to remove any scores. It is more of a "spirit" rule. And yes, it is subjective, but it isn't intended to be subjective in terms of disqualifying replays because the "gameplay isn't good enough". It's subjective in that it requires the player submitting the score to genuinely feel his replay reflects personal effort or a display of skill. So even if it's a replay of 10K on Donkey Kong, provided the player made a genuine effort in getting that score, it doesn't violate the spirt of Rule 2n.

However I feel strongly there are players that have submitted replays which clearly do not show any skil and which it is extremely difficult to believe they put any effort into, solely to try and climb the leaderboard by claiming cheap 1st with as little effort as possible. The fact they are overall a "good" player just makes it all the more obvious when they didn't make any effort. The stronger the player is, the higher standard they should hold themselves to when following the spirt of Rule 2n.

-George