Oh no, also JYD was infected by leaderboard's fever !

Marco Marocco · Post by **Marco Marocco** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:58 pm

The TJT wrote:Card/board games are not really videogames, even though they are played on a computer.
For most part/all you don't need hand-eye coordination, timing or reflexes. I guess you can use a sort of pattern recognizion in some of them, but even that is very different from let's say Tron, Pacman, Phoenix etc.

That's what I meaned

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:09 pm

For most part/all you don't need hand-eye coordination, timing or reflexes

Disagree. You have a few seconds for select card/cards, use watchwords (in mahjong), buy special items (if it is in game), use special items.

welby1 · Post by **welby1** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:29 pm

MARP's getting to be quite the hostile environment lately. I wasn't making a 'dig' at anyone, but every time this comes up, claws come out.
Matching/puzzle games may be boring to some, but they aren't based on 'odds', but more on problem solving.
Not all mahjongs are created equal, and some are decent.
For most mahjongs, a random(sometimes) dealing of the cards/tiles that determines your fate, where you discard/hold, while a strategy is employed, you're still at the mercy of tiles in the shuffle. Does anyone deny that mahjong is a form of poker?
Same goes for the trivia games...memorize the answers and play until boredom is maxed out. Most of those types have been *'ed, but not the ones that have creeped in the last few years, like some gambling games have, which are supposed to all be *'ed.

Post by **mahlemiut** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:54 pm

Arcade mahjong games aren't odds-based either, just the gambling ones. Only earlier mahjong games (early 80's) tend to have proper random tile drawing too. And I'm sure you can find mahjong games in many Japanese arcades, not just casinos or pubs or whatever.

welby1 · Post by **welby1** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:32 pm

Honestly, I've never seen one anywhere in the US. Pretty rare to see poker/slots in a US arcade; mostly bars&casino's. I did say that some are good, just not most. The mahjong puzzle games are good, usually. The one's with 'bet' in the title are gambling games.

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:57 am

In Poland I saw poker on arcades.

The TJT · Post by **The TJT** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:52 am

In Finland I see poker machines everywhere, as well as fruit/bet/slot machines.

We also have this game called Pajatso

You can play an emulator here:
http://nostalgiapelit.servut.us/pajatso.html

Select "turnauspeli"(tournament game, you get 40 coins=20mk), play with left arrow, simple.
"paras tulos"=high score
"päävalikko"=main menu
"uusi peli"=new game
"pelattu"=played
"voitot"=wins
Nowadays these machines are making a comeback, they use 20cents.

welby1 · Post by **welby1** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:47 am

Now, all we need is a video coin-pusher game...my favorite gambling machine.

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:03 am

The TJT wrote:In Finland I see poker machines everywhere, as well as fruit/bet/slot machines.

I don't say about slot machine. I saw normal arcade poker.

The TJT · Post by **The TJT** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:30 am

destructor wrote:I don't say about slot machine. I saw normal arcade poker.

"arcade poker"

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:50 am

Hehe.

Phil Lamat · Post by **Phil Lamat** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:40 am

welby1 wrote:Matching/puzzle games may be boring to some, but they aren't based on 'odds', but more on problem solving.
Same goes for the trivia games...memorize the answers and play until boredom is maxed out.

Matching/puzzle games are also MAINLY based on memorizing.
You've to solve first but after all same levels came again and again (example : chindrag & clones) : no reflexion at all then.
As Destructor says, in mahjongs you have to THINK and think quick : analyse the tiles, deal well with your options, choose a strategy to build your hand ... and almost always, you have very few seconds to do that.
I know you also have part of luck, but it's like 95% of games.
And if you make a good start and get good options, there is no luck at all (some options in many games prevent you from an opponent mahjong).
Try to finish any Final Romance, or Mjnatsu, then you will know what you're talking about.
That will be my last post on this thread, I'm fed up to explain year after year to Welby that Mahjong is different from poker.

welby1 · Post by **welby1** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:52 pm

That's because it IS poker...that's even how Chinese people describe it, so whatever.

Post by **mahlemiut** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:05 pm

Eh, you could refer to it as Chinese Poker, but just by looking at it, you can tell it's not the same as traditional poker. There's a distinct lack of betting, with the exception of calling "reach".

welby1 · Post by **welby1** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:29 pm

I should've included a smiley

I'm not trying to piss anyone off, but there are similarities to poker. Strategy is key to both, but also hand of fate.
Phil, I acknowledged that some are good, but even you must admit that some of them just suck. Both you and Des say in some descriptions that some are either fixed patterns, or some other *able flaw. Relax, it's not really any big deal.