France vs. Italy Challenge - Rules and Leaderboard

DaviL · Post by **DaviL** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:10 pm

>You can leech at stages 2 and 5, but you MUST finish that stage using same man you were
leeching with.
(Or try to finish the stage with enough time to do it)

Newabo has enough time to finish, but made some mistake
The inp is regular for sure!

Sorry for Redstar Pulstar inp..
He waits 6 days before send it!!
Great score but must be disqualified.

Ok, the new inp is good!
Where is francois ?

sawys · Post by **sawys** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:12 pm

DaviL wrote:>You can leech at stages 2 and 5, but you MUST finish that stage using same man you were
leeching with.
(Or try to finish the stage with enough time to do it)

Newabo has enough time to finish, but made some mistake
The inp is regular for sure!

So what does mean "enough time to do it" ?
I think that if he lost at 1 sec that's just because he is not good enough to finish it with the time he calculates ! So for this inp i think it's not regular... destructor or valter (or marp regular), can you watch the inp and tell us your opinion ?

If the inp is regular then it will be good to precise what is "enough time to do it" 30 sec ? 60 sec ? For each stage !
Or it will be horrible to validate later inps...

The TJT · Post by **The TJT** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:27 pm

Surely so many good players can decide what is right and what is not!
If you feel "enough time to do it" is bad...It can be taken away.
I was thinking if somebody would try to to finish, but just happen to play bad in last seconds...

If you can come up with very good rules, ok. I don't think this kind of game never have perfect rules

You still have many other games games to play, nike, just do it!

TJT, in a galaxy far, far away...

sawys · Post by **sawys** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:50 am

The TJT wrote:Surely so many good players can decide what is right and what is not!
If you feel "enough time to do it" is bad...It can be taken away.
I was thinking if somebody would try to to finish, but just happen to play bad in last seconds...

If you can come up with very good rules, ok. I don't think this kind of game never have perfect rules

You still have many other games games to play, nike, just do it!

TJT, in a galaxy far, far away...

Thank you for your answer, it wasn't against your rule i was complain but i think that if a rule is created so we must apply until a new rule has come...
I don't have pretention to propose a perfect rule and more in this game, but finally the idea of a time trial rule on this game could surely be the best... It prevents from leeching at some points of the game and like we could see on several sites, it's not so difficult to break the 9.999.990 score in this game so it could be a good challenge for a marp rule.
But now, for the challenge we can't change the rule again and we must apply the actual rule so that's why i guess advices of the marp regulars...
We have other game to play, yes but we have chosen it for the challenge and now we must play

DaviL · Post by **DaviL** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:55 am

Hope destructor or valter can see the inp, and give their opinions.
What they decide is right.

I don't think newabo could have problem to take 3rd place again..

BBH · Post by **BBH** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:02 am

the problem is that Wardner is just a very bad game choice for serious competition, given the fact that it's possible to max out the score and all that.

of course we have that special rule to ban the level 2 leeching. But when you ban that, what's to keep someone from finding another place to raise their score? I mean, once you have multiple people capable of finishing the game on a single life, it becomes pretty hard to tell who the best player is and who deserves the highest score. So problems like this arise where there become new questionable ways of squeezing out points from the game... what else are you supposed to do when the game has an end?

Sawys' idea of rewarding the fastest completion isn't too bad an idea for a game with leeching problems like this one. But of course it's a little late to change that rule now...

DaviL · Post by **DaviL** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:23 am

The only place where there are infinite leeching possibility is 2 and 3. In 5 the two golem are not infinite and if you are fast can kill all two with 1 shot only X 28 (near, I don't remember well ).
Then don't forget the bonus lives at the and is not 9 but may be 10-11-12 etc.
This game really don't need new rules,at least wait the end of the tournament.

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:16 am

I don't see problem to limit lives to 3 or 5.
I will watch inp, wait ...

GHEMANT · Post by **GHEMANT** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:22 am

the problem of Wardner leeching is very easy, please wait 30 minuts, I write the solution.

GHEMANT · Post by **GHEMANT** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:29 am

In these weeks i've studied Wardner at maximum levels and finally i have the knowledge to tell a definitive opinion. Marp rules for this game are wrong / insufficient. Wardnere suffer of a infinite leechen problem in just one only precise location: the bird section at stage 2. In this part of the game in fact it's possible to earn 50.000 pts and to win a life that will be lost because of the timeout. Repeating this operation its possible to play infinite time. This happens because the birds continue appearing till the end of time. There is no other location where it's possible to earn 50.000 pts whith enemies spawned continuosly. In the game there are some enemies that could be re-spawned but you'll never reach 50.000. At stage 5 the enemies are limited and if you lose one life the enemies could not be fighted again. The whole stage con be completely cleared in the given time and losing lifes can only be dangerous for the score, this beacause each spare life worth 90.000 pts.

At the second stage, independently from how mutch time you spend eliminating the birds, it's sufficient, whith the same life used for the leeching,to clear the incriminated zone, and more precisely,just go through the point of no return, so you can't do any leeching anymore. After that point, lifes can be lost, this is insignificant because it's now impossible to earn the 50.000 pts necessary to recover the lost life.

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:38 am

OK, I watched newaborigeno inp. It should be disqualified otherwise.

And I found solution for Wardner (I think). The same solution as in GnG and Xain'd Sleena. In dipswitches change bonus life to 30k only or to 50k only. Simple.

GHEMANT · Post by **GHEMANT** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:03 am

lost a life after leeching zone does not allow to recover the lost life for score

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:23 am

GHEMANT wrote:lost a life after leeching zone does not allow to recover the lost life for score

Maybe I misunderstand you, but he get high bonus for time.

And remember: rule is rule. We can't play using own rules.

DaviL · Post by **DaviL** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:56 pm

Limit lives ?
Sorry Des, but only who don't know well this game can say so. Why ? You have 90.000 bonus for life at the end, in Xain Sleena NOT!!!!!
Special rules are really simple to create for this game (the rule of stage 2 is the most important)but I don't want to speak no more about this game right now (and about the player who is first now).
I Will speak after the end.

Ok newabo inp is disqualified.
This is good, he need more training and I'm still third!!!

sawys · Post by **sawys** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:22 pm

DaviL wrote:but I don't want to speak no more about this game right now (and about the player who is first now).
I Will speak after the end.

Must i understand that you wait to send your game with a new tactic ?
If yes, so it's your right but it's no good for competition

I thought that Italians were fair players but maybe i'm wrong...
I'll wait and see but don't make mistake