Golden axe question (very hard) for ZFZ or Novice

GHEMANT · Post by **GHEMANT** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:27 pm

destructor wrote:
GHEMANT wrote:aliens, perfect guide ~the way for the 2.000.000 pts~
Aliens is one of my favourite games. I never record inp for MARP because no time. 2mln is possible with no problem. It's excellent game.

do you know a secret and strategies to obtain 2 milions?

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:38 pm

GHEMANT wrote:
destructor wrote:
GHEMANT wrote:aliens, perfect guide ~the way for the 2.000.000 pts~
Aliens is one of my favourite games. I never record inp for MARP because no time. 2mln is possible with no problem. It's excellent game.

do you know a secret and strategies to obtain 2 milions?

5 minutes after my previous post I check my notes on paper and change score info

destructor wrote:I check my notes and 1,2-1,3 mln is no problem but 2mln I don't know how.

600k is for 1 loop with leeching (without last life). Maybe there is way for massive leeching but don't know how. game has invisible timer. After end of time mega bomb kill you. Maybe is way for escape from mega bomb. And second point: I never tried lost lives for leeching, always go ahead without lost life.

GHEMANT · Post by **GHEMANT** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:44 pm

max possible is 800.000 pts in first loop (4 miss).

timer is invisible, but I know a secret for not miss a life.

japanese world record is 1.624.000 but 2 milions is possible.

is necessary lost for leeching 16 lives

for a perfect play is necessary lost 4 lives in first loop and 12 lifes in second loop.

GHEMANT · Post by **GHEMANT** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:47 pm

MJS wrote:Ok, I've just found an easier way to do it... you just have to make the chickenleg leave

Edit: uploaded the correct inp

this second try is better of first, but is dangerous because many times is request.

And after 1 minut of pause, dark scheleton appear...

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:58 pm

GHEMANT wrote:is necessary lost for leeching 16 lives

for a perfect play is necessary lost 4 lives in first loop and 12 lifes in second loop.

Eeeeee.... we talk about the same game? Aliens? How you get 16 lives? With 16 lives I don't see any problem to get 2mln. I never saw more than 4 lives.
Maybe japanese clones have more lives.

MJS · Post by **MJS** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:59 pm

"Young Ghemant powerful has become, the dark side I sense in him..."

Just kidding!

GHEMANT · Post by **GHEMANT** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:05 pm

destructor wrote:
GHEMANT wrote:is necessary lost for leeching 16 lives

for a perfect play is necessary lost 4 lives in first loop and 12 lifes in second loop.
Eeeeee.... we talk about the same game? Aliens? How you get 16 lives? With 16 lives I don't see any problem to get 2mln. I never saw more than 4 lives.
Maybe japanese clones have more lives.

eh eh eh eh not... is the same version that you know.

but is not real 16 lives. Max real lives are 9 in secondo loop. Other 7 lives is secret strategies: you can death for time... but with a bonus energy in the screen you can increase 1 live lost

GHEMANT · Post by **GHEMANT** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:09 pm

exemple of fake 1 up live:

leeching (you have 2 lives)---->death for time (you have 1 life now)---->energy in the screen (increase 1 up) now you have again 2 lives.

GHEMANT · Post by **GHEMANT** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:11 pm

aliens max real 9 lives:

3 start, 1up bonus during stage 2.

+ double bonus lives strategies, 3 lives for loop.

3+3+3=9 total lives.

GHEMANT · Post by **GHEMANT** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:16 pm

stage 2-2, look this score and lives

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:16 pm

I understand. I use this method for get extra life (from energy) but not for 6 lives, for 2 maybe and in places where leeching is impossible or low.

GHEMANT wrote:

stage 2-2, look this score and lives

Score isn't high on this screen.

GHEMANT · Post by **GHEMANT** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:27 pm

destructor wrote:I understand. I use this method for get extra life (from energy) but not for 6 lives, for 2 maybe and in places where leeching is impossible or low.
GHEMANT wrote:

stage 2-2, look this score and lives
Score isn't high on this screen.

score not high?

eh eh secret lives is not only secret in this game.... there are other incredible technique...

1 bomb = 5000 pts extra bonus in stage 1
1 bomb = 10000 pts extra bonus in stage 2

my guide is incomplete but when I finish will be 40 pages.

MJS · Post by **MJS** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:37 pm

Back on topic.

GHEMANT wrote:mmmh marp rules for golden axe I dislike, because +30 pts for no miss is very important, and a player that finish the game without losing life is very strong.

According to this thread it is not just a differece of 30 pts:
viewtopic.php?t=7678&highlight=%2Agolden+axe

GHEMANT wrote:A score realized without losing lifes can't be compared with a score where one or more life are missed. A No miss bonus must be given at the end of the game, instead losing a lifed penalize the score.

GHEMANT wrote:golden axe, doesn't need of rules because it's not a game with subjected to infinite leeching or cheats, without taking consideration about the bonus obtained ending the game without losing life means that i won't send any replay at this game on marp in the future

The problem here is that we are changing the scoring of a game which had a -to say the least- quite good scoring system.

As I said before, I think we should change the scoring system only if there are problems with it, and not just because we want it to be like most of the rest of the games (where lives don't count).

In other words, I think the original scoring of the games have priority over whatever scoring you may think of, unless it brings trouble.

Specifically for Golden Axe, I agree with Ghemant and I propose to use the HENSACHI as the score.

MJS · Post by **MJS** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:47 pm

And beleive me, I am not pleased by the fact that I may waste a lot of time until I can finish the game without dying (because I die at least once 99% of the times) but the game's intent to award the "NO MISS" thing should be respected.

As Yoda would say: "Use the Hensachi we should"

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:50 pm

GHEMANT wrote:1 bomb = 5000 pts extra bonus in stage 1
1 bomb = 10000 pts extra bonus in stage 2.

I never noticed it, when you get this bonus? But I noticed when I kill first boss using bombs I get bonus 10k.