speed hacks back

The TJT · Post by **The TJT** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:57 pm

"Shut up Stig

" better?

Now waiting to see superpac-fast romset, with arcade perfect emulation. Ok...I shut up now...

Chad · Post by **Chad** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:46 am

this is arguing the thread subject, stig, no matter wot, has an opinion and deserves to voice it, but it looks pretty clear that the games are pretty close and old -fast's should be moved to f's clones.

Stig · Post by **Stig** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:31 am

Weehawk Wrote :

"He also does not address what, if anything, they are going to do about the 18 or 19 clones with similar setups."

According to a Mame Developer, they will stay the same way they are now. They are not adding hacked sets for those. I dont even believe there was speed up hacks for every clone. That would be insane.

Stig

Weehawk · Post by **Weehawk** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:59 am

Stig wrote:Weehawk Wrote :

"He also does not address what, if anything, they are going to do about the 18 or 19 clones with similar setups."

According to a Mame Developer, they will stay the same way they are now. They are not adding hacked sets for those. I dont even believe there was speed up hacks for every clone. That would be insane.

Stig

Insane or not, almost all the clones of PacMan and Ms. PacMan in MAME have the speed-up option.

If you're going to remove it from the parent ROMs, it makes no sense to leave it in the clones.

Stig · Post by **Stig** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:44 am

They will all be gone in the next version, according to a developer. Dont worry.

Stig

Weehawk · Post by **Weehawk** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:52 am

Stig wrote:According to a Mame Developer, they will stay the same way they are now. They are not adding hacked sets for those. I dont even believe there was speed up hacks for every clone. That would be insane.

Stig wrote:They will all be gone in the next version, according to a developer. Dont worry.

Can't seem to make up their minds, can they?

The TJT · Post by **The TJT** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 7:13 pm

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*** changed both 
mspacman-fast -> mspacmnf "Ms. Pac-Man [with speedup cheat]" -> "Ms. Pac-Man (with speedup hack)" 
pacman-fast -> pacmanf "Pac-Man (Midway) [with speedup cheat]" -> "Pac-Man (Midway, with speedup hack)" 
puckman-fast -> puckmanf "PuckMan (Japan set 1) [with speedup cheat]" -> "PuckMan (Japan set 1 with speedup hack)"

OK

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*** archived 
hangly-fast -> *hangly-fast "Hangly-Man (set 1) [with speedup cheat]" 
hangly2-fast -> *hangly2-fast "Hangly-Man (set 2) [with speedup cheat]" 
hangly3-fast -> *hangly3-fast "Hangly-Man (set 3) [with speedup cheat]" 
joyman-fast -> *joyman-fast "Joyman [with speedup cheat]" 
jrpacman-fast -> *jrpacman-fast "Jr. Pac-Man [with speedup cheat]" 
mspacmab-fast -> *mspacmab-fast "Ms. Pac-Man (bootleg) [with speedup cheat]" 
mspacmat-fast -> *mspacmat-fast "Ms. Pac Attack [with speedup cheat]" 
mspacpls-fast -> *mspacpls-fast "Ms. Pac-Man Plus [with speedup cheat]" 
newpuc2-fast -> *newpuc2-fast "Newpuc2 [with speedup cheat]" 
newpuc2b-fast -> *newpuc2b-fast "Newpuc2 (set 2) [with speedup cheat]" 
newpuckx-fast -> *newpuckx-fast "New Puck-X [with speedup cheat]" 
pacgal-fast -> *pacgal-fast "Pac-Gal [with speedup cheat]" 
pacheart-fast -> *pacheart-fast "Pac-Man (Hearts) [with speedup cheat]" 
pacmod-fast -> *pacmod-fast "Pac-Man (Midway, harder) [with speedup cheat]" 
pacplus-fast -> *pacplus-fast "Pac-Man Plus [with speedup cheat]" 
piranha-fast -> *piranha-fast "Piranha [with speedup cheat]" 
piranhah-fast -> *piranhah-fast "Piranha (hack) [with speedup cheat]" 
piranhao-fast -> *piranhao-fast "Piranha (older) [with speedup cheat]" 
puckmana-fast -> *puckmana-fast "PuckMan (Japan set 2) [with speedup cheat]" 
puckmod-fast -> *puckmod-fast "PuckMan (harder?) [with speedup cheat]"

I don't think it was decided to * all -fast clones (*means that leaderboardpoints are not given). These should be left alone untill new substitute romsets would be presented by mr pachack Giles...And after that old scores moved under new romnames, right?

Unless the idea is NOT to give Mr Carter any LB points

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*hangly-fast (Hangly-Man (set 1) [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 804570 Rick Carter (100%) 
*hangly2-fast (Hangly-Man (set 2) [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 591790 Rick Carter (100%) 
*hangly3-fast (Hangly-Man (set 3) [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 923440 Rick Carter (100%) 
*joyman-fast (Joyman [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 615780 Rick Carter (100%) 
*jrpacman-fast (Jr. Pac-Man [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 1333430 Rick Carter (100%) 
*mspacmab-fast (Ms. Pac-Man (bootleg) [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 846520 Rick Carter (100%) 
*mspacmat-fast (Ms. Pac Attack [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 627170 negative1 (100%) 
*mspacpls-fast (Ms. Pac-Man Plus [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 755760 negative1 (100%) 
*newpuc2-fast (Newpuc2 [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 937200 Rick Carter (100%) 
*newpuc2b-fast (Newpuc2 (set 2) [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 444600 Rick Carter (100%) 
*newpuckx-fast (New Puck-X [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 1000000 Rick Carter (100%) 
*pacgal-fast (Pac-Gal [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 851160 WRX2 (100%) 
*pacheart-fast (Pac-Man (Hearts) [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 3237880 Rick Carter (100%) 
*pacmod-fast (Pac-Man (Midway, harder) [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 1053010 Rick Carter (100%) 
*pacplus-fast (Pac-Man Plus [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 546050 Rick Carter (100%) 
*piranha-fast (Piranha [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 217420 Rick Carter (100%) 
*piranhah-fast (Piranha (hack) [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 401150 Rick Carter (100%) 
*piranhao-fast (Piranha (older) [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 393800 Rick Carter (100%) 
*puckmana-fast (PuckMan (Japan set 2) [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 1304260 Rick Carter (100%) 
*puckmod-fast (PuckMan (harder?) [with speedup cheat]) #1st : 2899810 ccr (100%) 
galaga-fast (Galaga (fast shoot)) #1st : 20518900 Steve Krogman (100%)

Weehawk · Post by **Weehawk** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:31 pm

The TJT wrote:I don't think it was decided to * all -fast clones (*means that leaderboardpoints are not given). These should be left alone untill new substitute romsets would be presented by mr pachack Giles...And after that old scores moved under new romnames, right?

If MAMEdev does create new hacked ROMsets for all those clones, the scores still can and will be moved.

If not, archiving was inevitable.

MAME simply doesn't support this type of play anymore for those titles.

LN2 · Post by **LN2** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:35 am

The TJT wrote:I don't think it was decided to * all -fast clones (*means that leaderboardpoints are not given). These should be left alone untill new substitute romsets would be presented by mr pachack Giles...And after that old scores moved under new romnames, right?

Unless the idea is NOT to give Mr Carter any LB points

Oh well...just another reason to remove all my scores. MARP keeps changing things to discourage competition. The LB changes haven't stopped the ABC loaders. Now archiving lots of rom sets for whatever reason.

I have moved into my new apartment and just tonight got a new computer station/desk and got my mac setup and back online.

Once I get more settled here(still have 20+ boxes to unpack and sort out) and catch up on a few other tasks I will start looking at the wolfmacmame project possibilities.

At least with that I will be able to participate in other events like the Decas.

Most of my mame/arcade energies will be going toward TG as my participation level there will very soon reach a new level. More on that soon enough.

Later...

QRS · Post by **QRS** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:20 am

MARP has always followed the 'rules' set up by the MAME team when it comes to archiving/removing games etc. We don't really NEED to do it but it has always been so. This is nothing new really.

Regarding the ABC uploaders and the new leaderboard.. hmm I still think it is to early to say yet... why?

1:More time is needed to really evaluate the new lb.
2:ALL the remains of the old lb must be gone.
3:The worst ABC uploader ever to visit MARP is here!

Therefore I can't really say much more about it..until Gerhard cools down.. Zwaxy fixing everything.. and time goes by

The TJT · Post by **The TJT** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:18 am

weehawk wrote:MAME simply doesn't support this type of play anymore for those titles

Yes, I tried with mame85, piranha....there is still option 2x speed cheat at "input this game" options, mapped at left ctrl. But it does not work.
Romsets have not changed, so can still easy download roms and use older version.
There could be made special rules for these archived games, that those must be played with mame84 or earlier. If there is good will.

Or wait untill these -fast hacks will be added into mame. Or wait untill these are added into cheat.dat(yet wolfmame doesn't allow recording with -cheat), wait could be long.
Or include them in wolfmame.
(Or bitch at mamenet forums, not recommended...eh.)

QRS wrote:MARP has always followed the 'rules' set up by the MAME team when it comes to archiving/removing games etc. We don't really NEED to do it but it has always been so. This is nothing new really.

Actually there has not been many removals of games from mame, except couple Galaga and Polepos clones. With those the romsets were removed alltogether, which might make competing the games harder, since roms can not be found easy anymore. This is not the case with now archived -fast games though.

This situation is compared to removal of those games, since arcades did actually have Jr Pacman fast hacks and those earlier removed clones.
I also feel this is particularly unfair against one single player.

3:The worst ABC uploader ever to visit MARP is here!

Who?

...He actually lists old marp leaderboard at hes website, so there we have hes motivation. He also must be unaware of the converstaions processed at marp forums. He'll propably eat some tasty fruitcake after hes 1000nd marp upload.
Can get somewhat unmotivating for other players spend couple weeks perfecting one score, then see upload vanish from the uploads list in 1 hour. Need to bumb that lb/linux thread sometime soon again

TJT

p.s. My apologies Stig. Seems this thread was useful afterall.

Weehawk · Post by **Weehawk** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:34 am

The TJT wrote:...He actually lists old marp leaderboard at hes website, so there we have hes motivation.

Damn!

It doesn't seem to be working anymore...

Stig · Post by **Stig** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:34 am

TJT Wrote

"p.s. My apologies Stig. Seems this thread was useful afterall.[/quote]"

Appology accepted, no problem Tommi. I knew this would happen so i posted it.

Stig
Warblade Development Team
http://www.warblade.as

Haze · Post by **Haze** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:57 am

The TJT wrote:
weehawk wrote:
Or wait untill these -fast hacks will be added into mame. Or wait untill these are added into cheat.dat(yet wolfmame doesn't allow recording with -cheat), wait could be long.
Or include them in wolfmame.
(Or bitch at mamenet forums, not recommended...eh.)

it is unlikely they will be added, the supported sets document how the speed hack worked on the real hardware (modified roms), the old 'speedup' was just a hack and having a clone of every pacman set with a speedhack is excessive.

pacman is just one of those games which was hacked in so many ways it is impossible to support every hacked set as there are thousands.

we feel the current supported sets are fine.

The TJT · Post by **The TJT** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:11 am

Thanks for the info Haze. Good to keep us "testers" informed