Pole Position 2-test track

Post by **gameboy9** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:51 pm

http://marp.retrogames.com/inp/0/0/4/sc ... lf84u2.zip

I fear this recording needs to be disqualified... I saw no special rules, so default DIPs takes effect. Default is 4 laps to complete... he did 6 laps.

Yip, this really should be zeroed... regardless... I will still say it's still a good recording... it'd beat me no matter what the goal was!

Gerhard S · Post by **Gerhard S** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:46 am

Post by **mahlemiut** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:11 am

The default DIP switch settings changed in MAME 0.80. You could get away with it by using v0.79 or earlier...

Gerhard S · Post by **Gerhard S** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 6:47 am

mahlemiut wrote:The default DIP switch settings changed in MAME 0.80. You could get away with it by using v0.79 or earlier...

i started wolfmame79 but the roms for pole position 2 are wrong (with wolfmame84u2 is all ok!)
pole position 1 started fine with the old settings

as I can change Roms thereby I can play with version 79

that is nevertheless in an unfair way opposite the others if those the attitudes changes

if I play nevertheless none with mame84u2 with the same attitudes as mame79 then am amounted to

please write special rules for this games (so that none is disadvantaged)

or I must procure myself old Roms

--- translated by google ---

Gerhard S · Post by **Gerhard S** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:03 am

game : pole position 2

i use old roms (this works with version 079)

this are the default-settings with mame79

speed = high (default mame84 average)
goal = 4 (default mame84 = 4)
ext = c (default mame84 = b)
pra = c (default mame84 = b)
time = 120 (default mame84 = 90)

LN2 · Post by **LN2** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:32 pm

It seems here special rules for the Pole Position and really any game where the settings have changed with updates to MAME need to be done so there is no advantage playing the game with 1 version vs a different version in terms of the game settings.

...or update so a minimal version is required and then zero/remove all from earlier versions. Yes, this would also include all of mine.

...hardly matters to me given the LB is almost useless and hp is a better pole position racer.

The TJT · Post by **The TJT** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:04 pm

LN2 wrote:It seems here special rules for the Pole Position and really any game where the settings have changed with updates to MAME need to be done so there is no advantage playing the game with 1 version vs a different version in terms of the game settings.

YES!
If mame default difficulty is changed, special rules should be added for the game/romset. One difficulty should be chosen to use, preferably earlier mame versions difficulty, or TG...Depending on the case.

Few examples come to mind: Paperboy, puzzle de pon,

...or update so a minimal version is required and then zero/remove all from earlier versions. Yes, this would also include all of mine.

You must be talking about Pole Position now. Yes, some solution should be found to keep playing field level.

...hardly matters to me given the LB is almost useless and hp is a better pole position racer.

New lb system is better, in my opinion.

Post by **mahlemiut** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 7:32 pm

The TJT wrote:Few examples come to mind: Paperboy, puzzle de pon,

Huh? What DIP switches changed in Puzzle de Pon (and I would presume ALL Neo Geo games). Not that they have much effect on the game in the first place. Thinking of the B-system version of Puzzle Bobble, maybe (if it has DIP switches)?

The TJT · Post by **The TJT** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:14 pm

You got me there Barry...don't know. Accessing dip switches and whatever F2 settings I didn't notice difference between 35 and 80. That I can tell that m35Final(FINAL!)is more difficult than some other mame versions: Game gives more colours, which obviously makes game much harder.
My description says: later than 35final are easier,
Phil's description says mame34 was easier.
Hmmm....but if there's no options to change at dips, then what can u do...just play easier mame versions.

Case paperboy I did previously strongly object using easy settings of later mame versions. Game gives very many extra men at later (than mame34) versions. you get points from each life left at end of the week, sunday, when game ends. Also it's obviously more easy to finish the game with more lives. Mame34 settings were arcade default, don't know why it was changed at around m35.
At the time it was unfair to beat my scores using more easy settings. Now it might be too late to correct the situation...since there has been so many submissions with easier settings.
Need to get a good controller working for the game...ahhh, so many clonepoints available

The important thing is to react pretty fast when settings do change in a game. If game has previous solid scores, it's a shame to beat those using easier settings. So older settings should usually stand. Or TG.

Thanks,
TJT

P.S. My advice for Pole is to use same settings that TG players have used. Those settings should be figured out looking at old TG records for the game. It is documented that some players did make about perfect runs at the game. This way Marp scores can be compared to TG records, which is interesting.

Post by **mahlemiut** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:25 pm

For Neo Geo, and any other system that stores settings in some form of NVRAM, it is the game that decides what the default settings are. The only way that can change is across different regions. Previously, there was a territory DIP switch (a rather fake one). Now, that switch is gone, and the only way to change region is to use a different BIOS (-bios on the commandline). The old territory DIP defaulted to Europe, and the default BIOS used is Europe. Although there may be some confusion as to whether or not the Europe BIOSes are actually Asian...

The TJT · Post by **The TJT** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:32 pm

A wild guess...maybe neogeo default settings are defined with neogeo.zip, and neogeo.zip was changed at m36 or so...?

edit: read Barry's previous post. Neogeo bios is neogeo.zip?

Post by **mahlemiut** » Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:02 pm

The TJT wrote:edit: read Barry's previous post. Neogeo bios is neogeo.zip?

Yeah, and like I said, the game determines the default settings.