Xain'D Sleena (again)

DaviL · Post by **DaviL** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 6:08 pm

There is a big problem in this game (yes you know)
There are 2 places (guwld soa and cleedos soa) in which you can leech until the time goes 0 making 70,000 pts (you have a bonus life every 70,000)
I watch Mr Bunny inp. He loose 2 live leeching making +130,000 pts(+ or -). With this trick he take the points to be n 1.
I love this game and I hate (like much players)to be beaten by leeching.
I repeat why NO SPECIAL RULES here ?
It will be good to see a real competition .
If there will be no special rules I will send an new inp with 2 lives leeching (like mrbunny). He beat me again with leeching 4 lives ? I'll do the same. And forever until he beat me without leeching.

AL · Post by AL » Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:21 pm

This is true Davil .

Special rules need to be applied here , otherwise one will have to stoop to another ones' level .

What do you suggest ?

Cheers ,

AL

MrBunny · Post by **MrBunny** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:53 pm

It is the same as many games, where staying as long as possible gives more points.

My inp shows no real leeching, because I stay in a location for one life, then die as time runs out, and make sure not to die in that location again. But I agree with any rules that will speed the game up.

If the game gave a bonus of 100,000 for each life at the end, there would be more incentive not to die the one time in each "point maximization" spot.

How about subtracting 100,000 for each death?

DRN · Post by **DRN** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 5:26 am

How about not leeching at all?

But then I suppose it's the age old problem of what do you class as leeching? As in so many other games, what's too much, where do you draw the line? How do you class one person's recording as ok and another too much? *sigh* I hate glitchy games

DaviL · Post by **DaviL** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 7:58 am

>How about not leeching at all?
Leeching only 1 time on a place (max. your score best you can)
If you die, you can't leeching again in the same point (like GNG). This should be the rule.
You can always use to spend your lives in space (you can make only 20, 30K ).
Mr. Bunny, I think you can do a great score (and beat me) without this trick. I love real competition.

Special bonus for life ?
Not I good idea, with some training I can finish the game with 9-10 lives (15 years ago I finished the game loosing only 2 lives in the final planet), but in the game you can retain max 7 lives (if I remember).
Is difficult calculate how much lives I can have at the end.
What about a limit lives ?
Dip switch bonus life 20K an 70 ?
Will be very difficult! Only the best will be first.

MrBunny · Post by **MrBunny** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:25 pm

I get your point Davil, I will re-record with not letting time go out on any levels.

The problem which still remains, is that the whole point is to get a higher score, so I will beat your score if I die and finish the game on my last life and but you finish the game with nine men. This is common for almost every multi-life game which has an ending.

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:28 pm

Hi,

I think that set Bonus Life 20K 80K solve problem. Then leeching 1 life or other limits are useless. Leech at all. If you lose all bonus lives (4) at leeching point then finish game is very hard, almost impossible. (I finish this game on arcade machine 1 life, but only once).

Return to GnG:

BANNED TECHNIQUES:

1°)extra life leaching (it is possible to sit in certain areas -usually the 3rd- and repeatedly kill enough enemies to earn an extra life before losing a life, which allows the player to earn lots of extra points with very little skill)
This rule is useless if there is 5 lives limit. I don't know why this rule exist.

PS. In Xain'd Sleena after 9999999 you gain extra life for each killed monster. You have unlimited extra lives.

MrBunny · Post by **MrBunny** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:22 am

... as well as a very urgent need to pee.

DaviL · Post by **DaviL** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:42 pm

I agree for a 5 men limit.

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 9:39 am

Please ***PL*** to edit special rules for Xaind Slena and clones. Set Bonus Life 20k 80k only. Thanks.

It's one of the best arcade games.

MrBunny · Post by **MrBunny** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:44 pm

I disagree with 5 man limit. Watching the top scores on this game and all the clones, only 5 or 6 players have completed the game on the current settings.

I do agree with enforcing the no leeching technique which destructor uses on xsleena to get 9999990. Put it in the tips&tricks page and submit a fair recording, destructor.

Editors, please delete his score if he doesn't do it himself.

DaviL · Post by **DaviL** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 4:51 pm

>>I just have no idea why destructors 8 hour inp
has been up for so long.

There was a discussion more than a years ago but the inp was not removed.
I don't know why... I think because nobody care about this great game.

The game is really very difficult, players finished the game only because you have too much lives.

This game need special rules, like GNG.
When the GNG vote passed I read some people said is impossible to finish the game with only 5 lives..
I understand what Mr. Bunny said about the spirit of the original game, but I think there is no choice: in Xain'D Sleena, with no lives limit the winner will not be the best but the man who finish the game loosing more lives in strategic point...
With some training finish the game with 5 lives is not impossible.
It is only very difficult for much players (don't know how much players will play it, think only 2-3) but is better than a easy game.
Can be better a 7 men only...

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 5:17 pm

I delete my score if special rules will be here.
In my city on arcade machine Xaind Sleena had 2 extra men on start and 2 bonus men after points.
If finishing game with 5 men is too hard for someone then don't play on Xsleena

MrBunny · Post by **MrBunny** » Sun Feb 08, 2004 9:49 pm

Remove it when "Special Rules"? Why not remove it right now and submit a fair recording?

There is a special rule which covers every game in MARP... it is NO LEECHING. And it is very simple to define leeching, since there is a message board.

The old topic said something to the effect of "let's put it on the tips and tricks page" but that simply got forgotten.

The only value that the 9999990 recording shows is something that happens on many games when the points counter maxes out. Just look at Seno's description of xevious, it is many years old, and everyone knows about it. He called it "eternal extend". It is a poor excuse to submit a leeching recording.

Francois Daniel · Post by **Francois Daniel** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:21 pm

destructor wrote:1°)extra life leaching (it is possible to sit in certain areas -usually the 3rd- and repeatedly kill enough enemies to earn an extra life before losing a life, which allows the player to earn lots of extra points with very little skill) [/i]
This rule is useless if there is 5 lives limit. I don't know why this rule exist.
.

Because this rule take place 2 years before the 5 lives limit rule

And its not so useles. Because we can make 120K by life (with hand ache^^). Imagine I go in 3rd loop with my first life (very difficult but possible) my score is about 300 K. I stay her and make leech with my 5 lives and die here with my last life. So 120K x 5 = 600 K + 300 K = 900 K.
It's about 400K over my best record where I go in the same stage. And mostly, its over the Innuendo record who reach 4th loop (not sure, possibly its 5th).

Francois

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