dskys wrote:My vote would have been no WHATEVER game. When I voted I felt that it should be all or nothing. I can leech in Arkanoid2, why can't he?
That's not even close to being the same as this case. In arkanoid even if you try and leech, you still have to have skill in keeping the ball in play...and are at a risk of losing your vaus. You must physically still play the game...and odds are eventually the ball will hit that last block somewhere you were trying to avoid and get you to the next round anyway. How can you compare that to an infinite leech where if you put things on your keys to hold them down you can just walk away and let it go?
I wonder how many of the people that voted even play the fckin game/care about how the score is achieved?
if they could careless then they shouldn't vote. it's that simple. Voters for these polls should be those that care...not those trying to enforce stupid political type crap on all of MARP....instead of looking at the particular case.
I'm assuming many voters saw the word 'leech' and instinctively pressed yes to ban it just as i pressed no to let leeching stay.
You likely are correct there are a couple that perhaps did this....but it's cuz from reading a few of these posts they clearly understand just how ridiculous this leech "trick" is so it should be banned.
Any leech that makes high scores for a game totally pointless should be banned. It shouldn't even require a vote IMHO but here we are...cuz MARP rules are important we are voting on it anyway. it's a shame given a good number here just toss their vote without really looking at what they are voting for.
because I feel any techniques (aka arcade conditions) should be allowed???
Well, when it makes the high score totally pointless, why should that technique continue to be allowed? If you allow it, then your high score whether you used the trick or not will be pointless. That's a shame to someone who really is
skilled at playing the game. All the high scores for it would just be using the lame leeching technique. Someone down in 10th place with what looks like a crappy score would actually be the best skilled player at the game. Is that fair? of course not...
I am like many here saying inps of that sort are perhaps WELCOME here...but on the tricks page....or submitted as a "0" score with a description just saying it demonstrates a cool leeching trick. It shouldn't be submitted as a score for the scoreboard.
(see HS thread
) doesn't mean I don't see it from the other point of view. But if voting no is unbelievable, why put the fckin option in the poll in the first place!!?
cuz as I said above...it's a MARP rule to have a poll to ban stuff that goes against the general rules. I think in this case the poll is phrased backwards... I hope the editors realize this.
The general rule as QRS quoted above doesn't allow this type of leeching. So the vote should really be if you want to make an exception to this rule and allow the leeching in this case. Why does this angle make a difference? Well, because of another MARP rule which requires 2/3rds in favor of the action.
In this case because of how the question was phrased we need 2/3rds to approve ot banning this leeching technique that by the general rules of play is actually already banned IMHO. Something isn't quite right there. It should be taking 2/3rds vote to allow this leeching...instead of 2/3rds to ban this leeching.
I think the 2/3rds thing is going too far anyway. As dsys has pointed out, some just vote yes/no without really reviewing the info for the actual poll. if you get even just a few doing that then cuz of the 2/3rds requirement as we see here in an obvious case where it should be banned it is barely passing at this point.
Personally, I always delay my vote for a couple days after the poll starts to see the points others bring up about it in the thread.
The only way all games are on a level playing field is to allow everything.
Not at all.... do you play monopoly with the same set of rules as you play Chess? cmon...they are 2 totally different games. Arcade games vary tons and are totally different also....so of course each can have it's own set of rules. What makes each game a "level playing field" is that everyone playing that particular game are playing it by the same set of rules.
That's all this poll is about...setting a rule to ban on that leeching technique for THIS game. It won't apply to any other games.
Did you even look at the scores for Saturn? It has scores going back a few years that are all 100k or less. Based on that without really playing the game myself it seems a reasonable score for someone reasonably skilled at the game is around 75-100k. tar finds this leech trick and posts 1 million. He could have just as easily posted 10 million if he had it go overnight while he was
SLEEPING. Then John C. posts a score just a tad higher to make the point himself. 20+ of us could easily do that same thing for this game....each of us beating the previous #1 score by just a tad.
What's that add up to? It becomes totally pointless to track the scores if that is allowed. You might as well zero them all out....archive the game.
Instead of doing that making a special rule so you can actually compete for high scores again for this game makes sense.
Actually I sent this saturn bug in on a score of 115,000 two months ago...
