About new rules for new tricks.

[Novice]

DEFCON=2

"'Stupid competition. Why not try set 1?? "

Very nice comment after making a good score...why not break TG record then Ok, I understand, your only reason to stay here is to annoy us with idiotic comments? You play the game many days and all you can do is this score with pathetic comment...sad, I hope you got your kicks out of that though.

If "ban" vote collect 50%+ of members (current 188 men, so 95 votes)
trick will be banned.

very good IDEA I think.

Tired of this guys stupid comments, and mock of rules...yes, mock, nobody can not be that stupid really? Maybe it was irony ?
He's been arrogant all the time at Marp, and is getting worse...arrrgggh!!!

Stupid?
I always behave stupid against stupid guys.
If you feel I am,then YOU ARE!

Fortunately,I have many friends at MARP.
I always behave gentle,kind,friendly for gentlemen,kind men,and friends.
#If you feel I am,then you should proud it.

I am anger with your incredibly rude act, TJT(and F and L)
I already do not blame your very rudeness,very poor skill ,poor head any more.
If you hate me then ignore me and NEVER download my play and NEVER complain my play.
I also never download yours(to tell the truth, I have never seen).
OK? it is the peace.

You can not ignore me, it means I am worthy for you.
I can ignore if you never stalk or complain other player.
3 of you are completely worthless.(at least for me)

By the way,what is TG record??
53.3M is enough I think.(yes. I am trying 56-57M now)

Tired/very nice then ignore forever PLEASE!
both we are so happy!

[LN2]

Fortunately,I have many friends at MARP.
I always behave gentle,kind,friendly for gentlemen,kind men,and friends.
#If you feel I am,then you should proud it.

I am anger with your incredibly rude act, TJT(and F and L)
I already do not blame your very rudeness,very poor skill ,poor head any more.

Gimme a break. 99% see right through you.

A "gentle, kind, friendly" person doesn't just call people stupid or ignorant or having no gaming skills etc. without even knowing them. It's your actions of that that then had me and others act not-so-friendly toward you. How can you expect people to be friendly to you when you treat them with disrespect?

If you hate me then ignore me and NEVER download my play and NEVER complain my play.

Excuse me but if your play didn't affect others then we all would certainly ignore you and not watch your inps. However, the scores you get using cheap tricks affect OTHERS. It's the integrity of the high scores for games and those other scores we are defending. Instead you just choose to see it as us attacking you which hasn't been the case at all. It isn't personal at all. It isn't about "hate". Stop taking all that crap personally.

You likely have noticed where I have started a couple other polls the past week or so for other games for other players to ban infinite leeching techniques etc. You aren't involved in that at all. I brought those up cuz to continue to allow those techniques for those other games also makes high scores for them essentially meaningless.

That should show it isn't personal at all. I'm sure if your score was one of those games I started new polls on the past couple of weeks those threads and polls wouldn't be going nearly as smoothly as they have. You take it all personally and then make it personal by attacking others.

I can ignore if you never stalk or complain other player.
3 of you are completely worthless.(at least for me)

ahh, there is more of your "gentle, kind, friendly" side i guess.

By the way,what is TG record??
53.3M is enough I think.(yes. I am trying 56-57M now)

I just checked and TG has no listing for the arcade version of Outrun. They do have a listing for a couple of the console versions though. I'm not sure how up to date that online scoreboard is though. It might just be what the 1st edition book is so doesn't include anything that will be added to the 2nd edition.

BTW, most have expressed they see your "DEFCON" system as quite unfriendly yet of course you continue to use it just to piss people off. Someone who was really "gentle, kind, friendly" would respect the wishes of most and stop using the DEFCON crap.

When you make a post with DEFCON=2 or =1 etc. it is stating you are posting with hostility and making it at a more personal level. Let's see. I think hostility isn't quite "gentle, kind, friendly" but that's me.

This thread was dead...so why on earth do you keep stirring these up?

[Hunter Killer-DF]

DEFCON? This sounds more like Bush and Saddam stuff...

[Novice]

Defcon=6

Very nice comment after making a good score...why not break TG record then

open your mouth after do it by yourself.
I cheked.
TJT outrunb 36,291,070
are you joking??

OUT OF THE QUESTION.

[The TJT]

Well, my Mame record for Outrun is only 41,655,660. My scores were enough to take all first places at the time though. I stopped playing after getting all first places, never looked back. Controls were really bad for this game, but I can do better than you Hisa -if I want, but I don't. Really do not have the time or motivation.

TG record for Out Run Arcade is:

52,897,690 Richard Jackson

Which is REALLY good. It is assumably made WITHOUT OFFROAD trick, and is just about a perfect game. Your games are not even near this skill level Hisa.
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Anyway thanks for your kind words again,

from now on I will ignore you completely.

This must make you very happy -now you can manipulate things with less opposition to your idiotic posts here.


TJT

Track&Field 95930 Mame / 100m 7,47 -arcade -2 buttons used, sixfinger technique.

[Francois Daniel]

Track&Field 95930 Mame / 100m 7,47 -arcade -2 buttons used, sixfinger technique.

Wow ! 6 fingers technique ! How did you make that ? 7,47 isn't possible without your techniques ? I'll try it when I have time

But the real question is : is it a worthless score ?

Francois

[LN2]

I'm curious what the 6-finger technique even is.

Is this where you have 3 fingers on 3 different keys all assigned to the 1 run key and 3 fingers on other hand on 3 other keys all assigned to other running key?

Are the buttons on a controller or x-arcade type thing or using keyboard?

I have tried using my 2 main mouse buttons to run figuring I can click my butt off on those better than the keys but haven't been able to do anything with mouse or evne my controller to match what I can do with keys...which isn't much really.

I figured if I got the spacing of fingers just right a spastic motion would result in seriously fast mouse clicking.

[Novice]

Defcon=5

Well, my Mame record for Outrun is only 41,655,660. My scores were enough to take all first places at the time though. I stopped playing after getting all first places, never looked back. Controls were really bad for this game, but I can do better than you Hisa -if I want, but I don't. Really do not have the time or motivation.
TG record for Out Run Arcade is:
52,897,690 Richard Jackson
Which is REALLY good. It is assumably made WITHOUT OFFROAD trick, and is just about a perfect game. Your games are not even near this skill level Hisa.

I can not understand why just only "under 42 million" player can insult others.
"You can do this better than Hisa." very nice.
but you had better say such words after do it by yourself.

I like 56-57 million with offroard line than 52.9million without "out" run.
just difference of policy.
I already tired to hear any loser's complain.
Why not stop,TJT??
If you stop, I also ignore you forever. never write dirty words forever of course.

[The TJT]

Sixfinger technique:

press/sweep right running button with your right hand ringfinger, middlefinger, forefinger in this order. After that, do same with lefthand to left running button, then right hand, left... So, 3 fingers each button. Try to keep gaps between presses same length all the time. You should get a sound like firing with a machine gun The rhythm is the key, not easy to maintain...gets harder when you do this fast...and if you add jump button there (hurdles)...
Takes long time master the technique, and at first your fingers get tired too
Easy way to practice rhythm is to try to run with only one button, which is possible.

Only 3 buttons are used at TF, 2 run buttons...and 1 jump/throw button at the middle of the cp. Mapping the whole keybard for running would be cheating and against the original gameplay, fortunately it assumably only slows down running because of the rhythm factor.

I should really make a short video of this technique sometime, it would be fun to watch if you never seen this technique, or if I would be at my fastest
Also a video of Marble game played with trackball would certainly be hilarious...Couple of years after I stopped playing the game...When I was about 18 or so, felt a little funny/embarassed when people watching me playing the game at Amusement park arcade...very physical stuff. But also shows the amount of skill/practice involved.

My friend still smiles seeing me play these games


Even though I am dead serious!

[LN2]

hehe....you just gave me some visions of madmen on trackballs back in the golden days.

I was always the finesse type of trackball user.

It also makes me think of that MTV special that's been on recently "True Life: I'm a Gamer.".

Part of that show had Graig who is the Golden Tee 2002 World Champion.

They showed coverage of an event so you got to see the trackball technique of Graig and others....all I can say is whoa...vicious. Graig isn't a small guy and he was putting his 200+ pounds on every full tee shot "stroke" of the trackball.

If the 2002 Golden Tee is like older versions as far as trackball tracking goes I just used a simple thumbs technique. I saw the players using this for more delicate shots like putting but not for any of the normal swings.

I could get full distance off just the thumb technique even for full swing as long as the trackball was in pretty good shape....which I would hope they were at that tournament.

Thx for the 6-finger clarification. I had sort of thought of that scenario also. That seems easy on the left hand with the left-cntrl key all the way on the end. Do you use the keypad Enter key for the other hand?

It seems very difficult to do that sweep technique on any keys in the middle of my keyboard. I agree with you assigning multiple keys/buttons for the commands wouldn't quite be kosher...but not something you really can control in mame...since mame allows that type of multiple assignment configuration.

It's definitely one of the reasons mame scores are kept separate from arcade scores. I don't think the arcade scores are that high.....although your 6-finger technique would work well on the original buttons T&F had(before they all started adding those guards around the buttons).

In the arcade game I used both hands together for sort of a seesaw effect. 1 hand was the fulcrum with a finger used for jump button...while other hand spread out across it where a very simple rocking of hand back and forth resulted in thumb and pinkey of that hand alternately hitting the 2 different run buttons. I can't remember if I ever got as low as 7'47, but I definitely remember being well under 8 seconds. I have a feeling I was in the 7'60 to 7'70 range.

I'll have to get and watch that inp cuz 95k on T&F is quite a feat.

[The TJT]

Rick, thats pretty fast with your technique, if I understood it right

Nowadays I use Hotrod, it's the way to go for arcade experience! I used keayboard earlier when I didn't have Hotrod. Managed to get about 7,74? with keyboard. I believe used leftctrl+rightctrl +altgr, It was some kind of ancient keyb though -not having that windows key(which exits you from mame). I have not encountered since any keyboard that works with 6f-technique, buttons feel little sticky with these fancy MS keyboards. Wonder if it's same with shmups(shoot them ups) too.

Couple more Marble memories...
I used to play it so much that I had blisters in my hands. If you roll fast you can get nice little burning feeling. And never forget the sheer pleasure of getting the skin between trackball and control panel, ouch!

I use/used both hands with one ball, use of two balls (heh) is something I never seen done succesfully...unless we were playing 2 player game with my best/worst competitor...Such little room for 2 players really moving the ball. That must have looked quite interesting too

Hehheh, there was this guy...VSL, who played so concentrated that hes toung was moving a lot outside mouth...That seemed to be funny for us, back then. Oh those times

And the most fun "multiplayer game" back then was....

Yes...Gauntlet. with 4 players.

[LN2]

And never forget the sheer pleasure of getting the skin between trackball and control panel, ouch!

Yep, I remember that for marble...what a pain....did it for centipede and millipede a lot also.

Hehheh, there was this guy...VSL, who played so concentrated that hes toung was moving a lot outside mouth...That seemed to be funny for us, back then. Oh those times

cuz it is funny. I remember seeing guys do that also. Friends have told me that I stick out my bottom jaw a little bit when into a serious game like someone that has an underbite. I visited a couple friends recently I hadn't seen in about 10 years and we played some games together and at 1 point they said.. "look, he still does that thing with his jaw." At least I keep my mouth shut and tongue in my mouth. hehe I hadn't even realized it until they said that. I knew they were right.

Yes...Gauntlet. with 4 players.

Yes, but I think it was only cuz your quarters go further when you have more than 1 playing at the same time.

[Francois Daniel]

Sixfinger technique:

press/sweep right running button with your right hand ringfinger, middlefinger, forefinger in this order. After that, do same with lefthand to left running button, then right hand, left... So, 3 fingers each button. Try to keep gaps between presses same length all the time. You should get a sound like firing with a machine gun The rhythm is the key, not easy to maintain...gets harder when you do this fast...and if you add jump button there (hurdles)...
Takes long time master the technique, and at first your fingers get tired too
Easy way to practice rhythm is to try to run with only one button, which is possible.

Yes, just as I imagine As soon as possible, I'll try this technique. I guess my fingers will not agree

Francois

[The TJT]

Yes, but I think it was only cuz your quarters go further when you have more than 1 playing at the same time.

You forget the buddy binding, very social event.

Then there was this guy who got doctors order not to play T&F for couple of months. He was playing it all the time, and when not playing was practicing 6f-tec on the desk.
Such a shame, to cut a promising career with an injury, he did run 7,67 and was heading straight at the top. He could never retain the previous form and not to carry on progress he had shown before, very sad case. You just have to accept that these things can happen at any sport

[AL]

...yep . It happened to me .

Thats what you get for climbing tall tree's when you are an adventurous young chap...( and are the 'Beta-Tester' for a new 'Swing' )...ouch...

AL