TTYF´s (Hisa Chans) Camletry recording.

[diabolik]

Rule "2c" to me means all tricks like used in Outrun or Cameltry or numerous other games are not allowed....at least not allowed until some vote and special rule is set up for those games to allow that particular technique.

I have understood it's just opposite. Like Pat said in another thread: "Everything in gameplay is legal until a vote to ban the technique passes by 2/3."

What I think rule 2c means is that it's not allowed to use cheat.dat files.

[LN2]

If it really just means to not use cheat.dat then that's what rule 2c should say.

What it states is a much more broad term and use of cheating...which to me means playing the game in any other manner than the rules of the game are.

That means no exploiting of bugs in the game to allow you to break or bend the rules of the game....unless voted on and approved as outlined elsewhere.

If it would have resulted in more money for the manufacturers you know they would have fixed those bugs once discovered. It's way too costly for them to go around replacing the main rom chip board with an update though unless the bug is something that truly influences the ability to even play the game.

If you have a bug like that in a computer game an update for it comes out fixing that bug(if discovered in a timely manner).

True gamers can look at games like Outrun and Cameltry and easily see what the game's rules are and how it should be played whether they are very skilled at the game or only played it a few times. To play it any other way isn't playing by it's rules...and violating MARP rule 2c IMHO the way it's currently stated.

[diabolik]

That means no exploiting of bugs in the game to allow you to break or bend the rules of the game....unless voted on and approved as outlined elsewhere.

IMO, that would lead to total chaos. Who whould define what are bugs and cheats and what are not? Are Pac-Man patterns cheats or bugs? What about Space Invaders firing patterns? Maybe those should be prohibited also? If we would introduce the change of rule you are proposing, we would have to vote on every other game to decide what is allowed and what is abuse of bugs or cheating. My first poll would be to ban use of Pac-Man patterns as a form of cheating. I've watched a part of your Nibbler recording, isn't that "bending the rules of the game"? I doubt that's the way the game was originally meant to play. Maybe I would also start a poll to forbid that type of gameplay in Nibbler.

If it would have resulted in more money for the manufacturers you know they would have fixed those bugs once discovered. It's way too costly for them to go around replacing the main rom chip board with an update though unless the bug is something that truly influences the ability to even play the game.

Well, Namco did remove previously known patterns from later revisions of Pac-Man, so I guess they aknowledged the patterns as "cheating".

[Novice]

That means no exploiting of bugs in the game to allow you to break or bend the rules of the game....unless voted on and approved as outlined elsewhere.

IMO, that would lead to total chaos. Who whould define what are bugs and cheats and what are not? Are Pac-Man patterns cheats or bugs? What about Space Invaders firing patterns? Maybe those should be prohibited also? If we would introduce the change of rule you are proposing, we would have to vote on every other game to decide what is allowed and what is abuse of bugs or cheating. My first poll would be to ban use of Pac-Man patterns as a form of cheating. I've watched a part of your Nibbler recording, isn't that "bending the rules of the game"? I doubt that's the way the game was originally meant to play. Maybe I would also start a poll to forbid that type of gameplay in Nibbler.

If it would have resulted in more money for the manufacturers you know they would have fixed those bugs once discovered. It's way too costly for them to go around replacing the main rom chip board with an update though unless the bug is something that truly influences the ability to even play the game.

Well, Namco did remove previously known patterns from later revisions of Pac-Man, so I guess they aknowledged the patterns as "cheating".

Clearly paradox.It seemed they hate logical/reasonable discussion.
not on logical rule depend on they like of hate.
(not only tricks but also uploader like/hate is important factor too)
It is good point of marp and bad point. I have to accept it if want to stay.
and I accept and decide not to upload new tricks and teach any informations.

I already know that 2.2 million was not waste effort.
because....

[The TJT]

...Because you got the attention you wanted first place.

[LN2]

IMO, that would lead to total chaos.

oh, so all this stuff in the forums with Outrun and Cameltry isn't chaos?

Who whould define what are bugs and cheats and what are not?

That's why you would still have the system to discuss certain tricks and have a vote to see if those tricks would be allowed. I was just pointing out an "anything goes" by default policy doesn't work. What happens if Novice in the next 2-3 weeks uploaded inps for 50+ different games all using tricks to play the game to set the highs scores? If we didn't say anything where Novice felt ok good...MARP is now just liek Gamest suddenly you will have tons of highly skilled scores here at MARP beaten by inps with tricks. Look over that Gamest high score file given recently and you can sort of see how many that applies too...if you are familiar with the games to sort of know ceiling scores for it.

Some seem to think the bugs/tricks in games like Outrun and Cameltry and few and far between....nope...tons of games have these types of flaws that can be exploited to play the game bending the game's rules or totally violating the game's rules.

Are Pac-Man patterns cheats or bugs?...(bunch others removed)

These are poor examples and you know it. You are still playing the game. The fact you find some games have patterns to them so if you do the same thing each time you will get the same result that's just how the game is. Anyone playing that game is playing exactly the same game. It's not even close to where 2 people can play the same game where the best skilled player for that game in the world can't beat the high score of someone else with just average or mediocre skill of the game using some trick. None of your examples you gave above have that.

Well, Namco did remove previously known patterns from later revisions of Pac-Man, so I guess they aknowledged the patterns as "cheating".

They did?!? I have played the other clones/versions of pacman. Sure you might have a pattern for one that won't work with the other, but you just figure out a different pattern for that different version.

The other change Namco did for pacman was to try and get rid of the infinite hiding spots where you can sit pacman in spots and the monsters loop around forever. They did successfully remove a lot of those in the "harder" version. However, once you hit the 9th key you can run a 9th key pattern over and over again to the split-screen. None of the core part of the game was changed there at all.

Even with all of that, anyone playing that game...is playing the exact same game that everyone else is playing. Therefore scores from it are totally comparable and can have valid records for.

There are tons of tricks for games MARP has no special rules to ban yet.
It's why I was hoping that rule 2c also covered all of those so voting would be whether to approve if a trick could be done instead of the way it currently is where anything goes until banned. That's a more negative way of handling it anyway cuz you are taking away something previously allowed. That's psychologically much different than voting to possibly allow something that wasn't previously allowed.

However MARP wants it is fine with me...just figured it's a little easier if voting was always to approve a new trick or playing technique etc. versus always banning techniques. Most tricks are quite obvious....so no real judgement call is necessary. In cases where it is then we discuss and vote on whether to allow that trick as we currently do. Nothing changes there...but 34% to approve of a trick shouldn't be enough to approve it...which is what MARP currently allows.

[Skyline]

Clearly paradox.It seemed they hate logical/reasonable discussion.
not on logical rule depend on they like of hate.
(not only tricks but also uploader like/hate is important factor too)

As far as I can tell, MARP isn't biased towards people. If it was, then this organization would have crumbled to dust before it even started. Certain events however can bring about the feeling that hate is being conveyed. This is true for pretty much everything in life.

IMHO, the fact that this all centered around you, Hisa, is coincidence. If someone else got that 2.2 mil. at Cameltry, this discussion would have centered around him/her. It just so happened this was submitted shortly after the Outrun fiasco, which turned into a feud between you others at MARP, most notably LN2. So some things that you said in those respective threads made you come across as being an a**hole, even though you are not one. The whole Cameltry thing just further escalated things, since even more discussion is being piled upon the mixed feelings for the Outrun trick, and even more criticism is being thrown at you. (BTW: Everyone won in the Outrun decision I think, since we can play with and without offroading..hell even you said that the clones were screwy anyways which they are. Ever tried playing a racing game with no road? It's kinda frustratin'. ..Like trying to play Wipeout Fusion using a zucchini and fishing line.)

It is good point of marp and bad point.

Since when?
One does not have to be at the ultimate level of Video-Gaming Mastery to carry on an intelligent discussion about video games. It's the input from people of all levels of skill from people like you, BBH, LN2, etc. to newbies like me that makes conversation and debate interesting. Everyone has a diferent perspective and opinion, as extreme as it may be. It's common sense that not too much hate or too much praise be given. Like in the Cameltry thread(s), the points that were thrown around by you and others were all relevant. Notice that nobody blatantly said that you were only at MARP to cheat, or that you were a b****-ass mother f*****, etc. It's people who take it to those types of extremes that should be banned from MARP IMO...people who just reek of ignorance, to the point where carrying on an intelligent conversation would be like trying to break a brick wall with your genitals. It's pointless and in the end all it does is hurt like a b****.
Everyone has a varying definition of logic. Yours may be completely different from someone else's. But it's still logic. It's still relevant. However your view that you continually express when you're pissed off, "Do it by yourself or shut the f*** up", is illogical as all Hell. Again, this is what makes the conclusion of a debate or poll work out for everyone. All give their input, from those who can max out the Cameltry score without giving an inch, to those who can't even beat the last place score. In the end those who suck at the game will get better and possibly max it out. Telling 'em to STFU ahead of time is where you cross the line from being logical to being illogical.
[Although your statement is correct in only one respect. In order to make an educated decision (i.e.: vote in a poll) regarding a trick, one would HAVE to attempt it. It's just common sense.]

I have to accept it if want to stay.
and I accept and decide not to upload new tricks and teach any informations.

Again, this is the conclusion that you've come to, which is "Everyone at MARP throws s*** at my face, and likes doing it just because it's me." Whether it be that you think everyone is jealous, or just hates you...who cares? That's no reason to just say "Fine, f*** MARP, you'll never see my "A-Game" again." I agree with most who said that some of your inps which display tricks and/or small bugs in the game programming should be in the Tips/Tricks/Easter Eggs (EGGIES!! )Page. Things like that WOULD spark interest in re-discovering a game. Then if you're lucky enough to be close to an arcade/pizza shop/etc. that has that game, you can take your knowledge that you've honed from being in MARP and go pwn the score and pimp it....(that is..unless it's one of those places that power off everything at closing time, thus erasing all the top scores and causes someone to go berserk and murder some stray cats or something.. )
The fact that you're annoyed with MARP so much that you came to this conclusion is unfortunate. Since video games were designed to be fun, the fact that hate would spark from them is also unfortunate.

Hey at least no one was banned.

I already know that 2.2 million was not waste effort.
because....

Because...then there would be no bunnies and no marshmellows and no reason to wear bunny slippers...ARRGH!!
Real answer-> Because...you got first place. To call a first-rate effort "useless" is an oxymoron.
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WARNING! MORE USELESS INFORMATION APPROACHING! BE CAREFUL! INSERT COINS!! etc etc..
This is more relevant to your poll thread than anything...
WOULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN LESS OF A HEADACHE IF THE SCORE ROLLED BACK TO 0 ONCE IT HAD REACHED 9,999,990? That way there would be no issue with maxing out scores and killing any competitive spirit in Cameltry....

BTW I hope you or anyone else who isn't 100% proficient in English misinterprets anything in this reply. Peace.
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Edit (snippie snippie )

Also, everyone cool it with the foul language, OK?

Sorreh..

"Uhh...I'll give you chocolate... Just pretend you didn't see us." -Load Ran, Twinklestar Sprites

[Edit: 1.) I was quoting ***PL*** even though Seymour and Barry are modding this thread...agh .. 2.) made this post "safe for radio".]

[LN2]

Wow, please ease up on that language. You had more in that one post Skyline than the entire Outrun, and Cameltry threads combined.

I actually don't think you need to actually try and be able to do tricks like this Cameltry trick to judge whether you think it's fair to continue to allow it or not. I do think anyone voting should at least view the inp showing the trick to see exactly what it's about...as well as perhaps watching an inp of playing the game without the trick also if they haven't played the game a lot themselves to be familiar with it. One question they should think about is not if the trick inp is entertaining, but if it should be for high scores or is one for the tricks inp page here at MARP. It seems from the first part of the this thread some were entertained by the trick so liked it and seem to think from that it should be allowed...cuz it's a fun and entertaining inp. Well, that's fine..but what about the record high score, fair competition aspect?

Look at the banned techniques list. I'm sure most that voted to even ban those haven't done that trick themselves, but it's easily seen that doing a trick that makes the enemies stop shooting at you in the case of Galaga or get 255 extra men on the first screen of Mr. Do. or Sinistar or do that trick on the first level of Alpine Ski so your shown score is 999,990, etc. are all tricks that if allowed pretty much make competition and record scores for those games pointless to have. So you set up special rules so scores and competition for those games are still relevant.

Outrun is perhaps not as clear cut of a case as those on that banned techniques page but this Cameltry trick certainly is.

[Skyline]

Wow, please ease up on that language. You had more in that one post Skyline than the entire Outrun, and Cameltry threads combined.

Hey. I'm ghetto. Sue me.
If the moderator(s) feel it necessary to bleep out the potty-mouf, then please do so. I'd rather not do it myself since replacing 9/10ths of the word with asterisks will just....be replacing letters with asterisks. People will still know that I'm saying the F-word, etc. I take it for granted that this is a place for raw opinion and hopefully I didn't violate any major rules. I.E: Hopefully this won't be the message board equivalent to the Salem Witch Trials, with poor lil' ol' me hanging from a rope and all the MARPers throwing stones and small unsterile blades at me..(wonder who'd get the highest score in that game? J/K.. )

Everything there was relevant to the context, or as least it is in my opinion. Even though I don't know any of the people at MARP personally, I'll take your collective words for it that all of you are koo' peepz. That includes Hisa, LN2, etc etc...even WRX2 for making me see HOW MUCH I REALLY SUCK AT MARS MATRIX IUDH#DHIDUH($#*DYNIYD&$YNO)(DYDY(

But if it's no biggie, then please disregard this post, and I'll try to use other words like "Shucks" or somethin'.

[Edit: Screw it...edited out the potty-moufffffffffffff. Bored anyways. ]

[Skyline]

I actually don't think you need to actually try and be able to do tricks like this Cameltry trick to judge whether you think it's fair to continue to allow it or not.

Well trying it out for a test run would help one determine whether it passes for a skillful strategy or a cheap trick. In the case of Cameltry it's somewhere in the grey area. It requires skill due to the fact that setting the spinner sensitivity up a few notches requires precise control. What was present in that inp (changing of settings in mid-game) was a trick, you're right. On a normal arcade board you couldn't do that. If the board was modified with the spinner calibrated differently the whole way through, then it's simply a question of how much can the spinner legally be tweaked. The answer to this question if we were talking about an arcade setup would be no. But due to the fact that people use different kinds of devices for control (keyboard, mice [MEECES!! ], etc.) that's another grey area. [More useless info: picture someone playing Cameltry or..worse..DoDonPachi..using voice recognition-based controls...]

It seems from the first part of the this thread some were entertained by the trick so liked it and seem to think from that it should be allowed...cuz it's a fun and entertaining inp. Well, that's fine..but what about the record high score, fair competition aspect?

Yesh, 'twas fun to watch. If I were watching him do that on a live machine it would have been a blast. But the spirit of fair competition is something grand. Which brings up another point that I didn't add in my last post: There was definite misunderstanding with all of this Hisa vs. the World thing due to the fact that you and QRS were the #2 and #3 scorers on Cameltry. Watching you two battle it out was entertaining. I'd be miffed too if I whooped [insert game here] and then was the subject of debate. But the mid-game calibration thing is a definite end. Hopefully the party involved will understand that. This whole process wasn't unfair in any way if the perspective viewed was one that was for keeping in the spirit of fair play. In that respect Hisa should stay and continue to bring his "A-game" just as everyone else does (or attempts to do ::points at self :: I B n00-B DOO DEE DOO DEE DOOOOOO).

I'm sure most that voted to even ban those haven't done that trick themselves, but it's easily seen that doing a trick that makes the enemies stop shooting at you in the case of Galaga or get 255 extra men on the first screen of Mr. Do. or Sinistar or do that trick on the first level of Alpine Ski so your shown score is 999,990, etc. are all tricks that if allowed pretty much make competition and record scores for those games pointless to have.

Well comparing Mr. Do or Galaga to Cameltry is redundant IMHO because of the differences between the "bugs". Cameltry's "wall-warping" is something that can be done only by calibrating the controls at the start or on the fly, something that Taito never intended people to do with the arcade board. Mr. Do/Sinistar/etc. are all techniques that can be done at the game's default setting without changing anything in the game's design. Those are simply bugs in the game code that never got ironed out before the finished product was released: the result is something that gives you an ungodly advantage of like..255 lives versus someone who just plays with the default (2 or so)lives....and what I've just done here is repeat what Barry and ZLK said earlier so ::sticks a fork in the keyboard:: end of postie.

[LN2]

the result is something that gives you an ungodly advantage of like..255 lives versus someone who just plays with the default (2 or so)lives....and what I've just done here is repeat what Barry and ZLK said earlier so ::sticks a fork in the keyboard:: end of postie.

Interesting there. So you think being able to score up to 9,999,990 using the trick in Cameltry versus the best player in the world at the game playing it within it's defined rules only maybe able to get max of 750-800k for the special course doesn't give that player using the trick to get more than 10 times the score an "ungodly" advantage? It's an advantage impossible to overcome without resorting to using the trick yourself.

I find it odd you think you need to actually try and do the trick yourself to judge whether it's cheap or not. If it's a trick you have difficulty doing that shouldn't be a reason to approve it. Novice's inp already shows someone not very skilled at Cameltry based on how he struggles to complete the other worlds yet can do the trick and amass millions of points. Don't let the fact he said it took him 400+ tries influence you there. A lot of that was cuz he wanted to hit that lottery for the bonus 20 seconds also. What makes you think well skilled players for the game wouldn't be able to do it also?

Whether it takes any skill at all to do that trick or totally luck or little skill needed isn't what should be deciding what rules the game has.

If I were to make an inp doing the trick myself but getting let's say 5+ million would that help you understand this is a cheap trick?

[Skyline]

Interesting there. So you think being able to score up to 9,999,990 using the trick in Cameltry versus the best player in the world at the game playing it within it's defined rules only maybe able to get max of 750-800k for the special course doesn't give that player using the trick to get more than 10 times the score an "ungodly" advantage?

ok, maybe I was a bit off there. Let me clarify. Hisa maxed out the spinner sensitivity and bumpered/warped, etc. without even knowing how to complete half of the game, or at least barely knowing...only Hisa knows which. With games like Mr. Do, you don't even have to know how to beat the first stage to get a high score. You could kill all the enemies but one, then get the item at the middle of the plaing field, summon the "EXTRA" icons, then die purposely, do the same thing again but this time collect EXTRA and get another life, then repeat the process with each stage ad nauseum. That's a huge advantage compared to Cameltry itself...that's what I meant.

I find it odd you think you need to actually try and do the trick yourself to judge whether it's cheap or not. If it's a trick you have difficulty doing that shouldn't be a reason to approve it.

Clear-cut difference of opinion here. I myself believe that I should at least try playing the game that way before making a vote which could effect the way the game is played in MARP in the future. That's just me. In Cameltry's case I pulled it off somewhat, got a good run on the bumpers and then ended the game...it required lots of skill to accomplish, but it was cheap, and it made the game boring. I'm against it because of those reason and because yeah...eventually the score would be maxed out and there would be no reason to play, as opposed to playing normally and trying to finish with that extra second left over (At least with offroading in Outrun there's still that competitive edge for getting that extra 1 second [million points]). The thing about setting controller sensitivity is what is the allowable maximum depending on what type of control youre using? With my P.O.S. optical mouse I'm always forced to tweak the settings so that what I'm trying to control dosen't stutter and shake whenever I need to do a quick motion to the right or left.

Novice's inp already shows someone not very skilled at Cameltry based on how he struggles to complete the other worlds yet can do the trick and amass millions of points. Don't let the fact he said it took him 400+ tries influence you there. A lot of that was cuz he wanted to hit that lottery for the bonus 20 seconds also. What makes you think well skilled players for the game wouldn't be able to do it also?

Well-skilled players would get 9,999,990. Plain and simple. But I share your view about that killing the competitive spirit of the game eventually, so no need for a lengthy comment here.

Whether it takes any skill at all to do that trick or totally luck or little skill needed isn't what should be deciding what rules the game has.

Well all the games start off with default settings being the rule of thumb, and that's just fine. the controls were changed mid-game by using the tab key. Clear violation of the rules.

If I were to make an inp doing the trick myself but getting let's say 5+ million would that help you understand this is a cheap trick?

Youd be wasting your time as I am already against the trick, your score would just be 1st place

Sidenote: Five bucks says I already contradicted myself with an earlier post

[LN2]

Hisa maxed out the spinner sensitivity and bumpered/warped, etc. without even knowing how to complete half of the game, or at least barely knowing...only Hisa knows which.

k, glad you saw that in his inp. Others were saying how great skilled that inp was.

In Cameltry's case I pulled it off somewhat, got a good run on the bumpers and then ended the game...it required lots of skill to accomplish, but it was cheap, and it made the game boring. I'm against it because of those reason and because yeah...eventually the score would be maxed out and there would be no reason to play

Actually I just did some runs to try the trick myself just now...took about 15 minutes playing around with it. In my first 5 attempts at playing it I got the ball in that bumper spot on world 2, 3 times out of the 5 runs. 2 of the times it took me a while so there wasn't really any time left to leech but the 3rd time I was able to stay there a while(stayed 20-30 seconds).

I didn't leech it out like Hisa so I didn't use the slot machine or lottery for cheap add-on time, and still managed to get close to 1.6 million. for only 5 tries that isn't bad. It took him 400+ tries to get that 2.2 million score.

This trick actually doesn't require much skill to do. It requires more luck...and just knowing what motions to go through to improve your luck.
You can't really control the warping precisely enough for that to really be skill. Even for the best skilled at it there is still a lot of luck involved...at least in mame at max sensitivity of 255.

In my 1.6 million run I only leeched about 800k off that 1 bumper. I then took a couple shortcuts on other worlds to get big time bonuses plus also figured something out from doing this that would actually be legal for the game I think...and allows you to leech more hits off a bumper than you normally would get. It wouldn't amass to millions but it does allow playing the game under it's rules to get more points without using any warping.

I would make the inp available but given none of you have Macs to playback the inp on I only put the final screenshot online for you to see my final score and time:

Cameltry trick score-5 tries

You can see from my final course time of 6:55 that is about 60 seconds faster than Hisa's run...which he totally used leeching off that 1 bumper...and having 20 more seconds from using the lottery. He stayed at that 1 bumper and got about 1 million more points from it than I did...but he was using the lottery strategy for that. I chose not to in testing it versus wasting tons of time trying to do it with lottery match.

I'm always forced to tweak the settings so that what I'm trying to control dosen't stutter and shake whenever I need to do a quick motion to the right or left.

Yes, you don't want it totally stuttering..however that stutter is the key for the warp....after a few stutters you get the warp effect. If you aren't moving fast enough to make the maze stutter/shake then you can't get that warp. that stutter will even within the course allow you to get extra hits off bumpers or crush blocks easier from it stuttering which is really just tiny warps of the ball in the maze.

Oddly though I was able to run through the rest of the course fairly well using max dial sensitivity of 255%. I did mess up a few spots cuz of the extreme sensitivity and wasted 20-30 seconds trying to warp through a couple spots I couldn't get. Given I only tried 5 times hard to say just how much better you could get at warping after 400+ runs.

Well-skilled players would get 9,999,990. Plain and simple.

As well as very lucky players...based on what I have seen with that warp so far. Maybe the ones with those modified controllers in the arcade could set the sensitivity even higher than we can in mame so maybe that makes warping a bit easier. Even Novice said 255 was marginal to do the warping.

[Novice]

DEFCON=7

Cameltry trick score-5 tries

hehehe.
do you know the fact?
Score of this game never resets even if you do continue.
unfortunately, this screenshot can not prove anything.

and I wonder why to prove TTYF's 2.2M is poor,
Is screenshot of 1.5M is worthy???

very curious.

[LN2]

do you know the fact?
Score of this game never resets even if you do continue.

so? I didn't continue in this. It was a 1 credit game you see there.
If you had a mac I would offer you the inp to watch.

I would think the total course time though would be enough to satisfy you that it was 1 credit game with no continues. If I had taken that much time to get through the course to have to continue it would have been a 8+ minute course run....not a sub-7 minute run....which BTW is a whole minute faster than yours. You can easily determine that a sub-7 minute run was completed on 1 credit by adding up the total time you get for completing the game without the slot machine and lottery. It adds up to more than 7 minutes....plus you get even more overall from the bonus time blocks here and there. I come way out on the plus side there with those. I would need to playback my inp to show you total time left for world 10 but was something like 58-60 seconds after the final goal...even after wasting 30 seconds leeching off that bumper in world 2.

and I wonder why to prove TTYF's 2.2M is poor,
Is screenshot of 1.5M is worthy???

It's not about proving your 2.2 million is poor. You have already stated that a few times yourself. You seemed to think I couldn't do the trick and that it requires extreme skill amd knowledge or something etc. so I made a quickie doing the trick. It didn't take me 400+ tries to get that though...only 5 tries. 2 of the other runs were around the 1 million cuz I wasted too much time to get in that bumper spot on world 2..but I wanted something a little better than that...figured the 1.6 million after the 5th run was enough. I don't want to play the game that way anyway.

I could give you the inp but again it would just "tilt" on you for 1 of the worlds starting. There is something in the macmame inp for this game that results in a tilt when a world loads most of the time.

A couple I have made QRS told me actually play back the first few worlds just fine then tilt....so it's really odd...but that's what happens with inp compatibility.

I could easily top your 2.2 million but figured wasting 15 minutes doing 5 tries to get 1.6 million makes a strong enough statement. I didn't use the lottery. If I had like you as you said that's 20*37.5k/s so about another 750k you are leeching off that bumper before you left it. Add 750k to my score and you are beyond 2.2 million. I left that bumper area with still like 35-40 seconds on the clock in world 2.

Again if I had continued or used lottery or slot machine etc. My total course time would have been far beyond 6'55'....like your time was.

You are already treading on water here so please don't keep throwing insults. Above you insinuate I continued etc. or faked that screenshot. I have ethics as a gamer. I feel if you can't play a game by it's rules then why bother playing it....no point.