Evil propose rejected.

[Novice]

DEFCON= 15

Thank you very much for all voter.
So many blaming from no-skill/no-knowledge/no-effort/(no-worth in my opinion) guys.

but fortunetely, marp has enough amount of "worthy voter. "
Justice wins!! Thanks!

LN2, you had better possess enough knowledge or enough skill or enough effort before want to debate.
you do not have anything worthy factor to do it.


poll is free. it is the democraty.
bye bye

[Chad]

evil? well, i'm just glad this got a turnout of 42 votes, the last most votes was 27 total... and would you mind sending your non-trick recording again (to set 3) the zip i think got corrupted in transit to marp. (if you dont want to upload it please email i'm interested in it, thanks.)


http://marp.retrogames.com/inp/7nt_outr ... _m37b2.zip

http://marp.retrogames.com/index.cgi?mo ... 00&tourn=0

[QRS]

You are sort of pathetic Hisa and you know that. An arrogant bastard.. but I still kind of like you, in my own special way And you are a hell of a good player

Good luck.

[Skyline]

Yeah, well, you know we'd all be treated to a defcon=0.000000000000000000000000000000000000001 flame-fest if the trick was banned...
Hisa: There are plenty of "no-skill guys" out there, including in MARP. I'm one of em. But that dosen't make them worthless.
Maybe in your world they are. But not on Earth..

[Novice]

Defcon=15

You are sort of pathetic Hisa and you know that. An arrogant bastard.. but I still kind of like you, in my own special way And you are a hell of a good player

Good luck.

Very right logic sometimes seemed arrogant.
If you think carefully, using feature not bug, and someone who can not prove its advantage by one's self. ..... is worth to debate or not.
answer is very easy!

I did not find any difference between that(nonsence)debate and these logic.
1:Everyone died at stage 3.
2:He can go to stage 4
3:It is big advantage for him.
4:I cannot go to stage 4. but to go stage 4 should be ban.
5:and poll.
6:Stage 4 is not a bug but feature.

Everything I did are
Say"Then go to stage 4 by yourself and prove its unfair."
Open your mouth after you would know "Stage 4 is the feature or bug."
I did not attack such guys at first on defcon=1.
my early defcon was 6 or 7. just account for the tricks and history.
but most(all??) of other guys just blame tricks,say"cheap""bug""unfair" without effort to prove it . just blaming.
To against such attitude is "arrogant", then I proud of "arrogant man".
Justice arrogant is much better than evil no-arrogant.

I think this debate is completely nonsence.
anysome,evil propose lose.

hell of a good player??
nonono.there are huge amount of much better players around me.
I am just a Novice player with a small amount of knowledge and thinking.

is it arrogant estimate??
THE FACT.

[QRS]

Haha you never stop to amuse me Hisa! A good speech... a good one indeed

Cheers

[LN2]

LN2, you had better possess enough knowledge or enough skill or enough effort before want to debate.
you do not have anything worthy factor to do it.

I don't care how great of a gamer you are or aren't. I have NO respect for someone that treats me with such outright disrespect as you did in that Outrun thread. You can go %^%$&^&#^&^%#&^% yourself. You can't expect people to treat you nicely when you treat them like crap. I gave my opinions about Outrun. You have zero respect for other's opinions.

It seems from the vote a majority also felt as I did that it wasn't fair cuz they voted "no" also. It just wasn't 66% to pass it is all. If I was the only one to vote no then you could maybe comment about it. 2-3 votes the other way and the trick would have been banned. It was close. I guess you are calling 60% here at MARP stupid and ignorant.

Funny how you are gloating over some victory with that poll. A normal person would just consider that lucky and just get back to playing games.

Why don't you look me up at MARP before saying I have no skills or knowledge etc. and calling me stupid and ignorant about games. As said above by someone else are an arrogant bastard. I totally agree with that.

If you read later in that Outrun thread you would have seen where I even conceded saying 1 set could be where you use the trick and the other 2 sets we don't. I figured that was a nice compromise. No, instead you just call me stupid and ignorant again.

I think given this vote we should have at least 1 of those sets of Outrun where the trick isn't allowed. Anyone care to start a poll for that? For example we have no special rules for Outrun (set 1) and (set 2) but have special rule not allowing the trick for (set 3).

Otherwise what you end up with in the long run is all the top scores being those using the trick. People won't download the 5th place score which might be the top score of someone not using the trick...so something is lost there IMHO.

It seems you are even too arrogant to apologize for treating people like crap for no real reason. This will be my last post ever addressing you Hisa. I would never deal with someone like you in my life so I won't deal with you anymore here at MARP or anywhere else.

There is no excuse for that behavior Hisa. This is supposed to be fun and friendly competition to achieve the best scores and showing the best skills for games.

[Francois Daniel]

[There is no excuse for that behavior Hisa. This is supposed to be fun and friendly competition to achieve the best scores and showing the best skills for games.

I agree with all you said Rick, I feel the same. It's very sad threads for all those who love games, for all of us...

Francois, a worthless player

[LordGaz]

Hey guys there is no need for bad feelings like this, it is a forum for debate that's all. I have read all the posts in this and the other Outrun thread and at times it does seem like we're all talking across from one another so misunderstandings creep in. LN2 you have certainly not gone down in my estimation regardless of how it appears you have been treated and I hope you will continue to contribute to these discussions in the future, even with Novice.

Regarding the voting, it would interesting if you were allowed to change your vote once made. I noticed when someone posted an opinion for 'no' then people started voting in that direction and when someone posted an opinion for 'yes', people voted in that direction but you couldn't change your vote later after reading more opinions. Just a thought.

Cheers all , Gaz.

[LN2]

I didn't even cast my vote until after the poll had been running 4-5 days so I could see what others were saying...plus so I could actually watch that inp to see exacly what Hisa was doing before voting. In the interests of being fair to Hisa I figured I needed to watch his inp before voting. I was a "no" before watching it but after watching it was even more of a "no". It was actually worse than I expected. I wonder how many voted yes and didn't watch that inp where if they had viewed it would have voted no instead. We all never know the answer to that one.

If you haven't watched his inp do it...I would think almost all gamers wouldn't want to have to use those types of techniques to get the high scores.

I will continue to discuss in these forums. I won't with Hisa though. That was the only thing I was saying.

He had ample time in that thread to see how I was reacting to his name calling yet he continued to do it. A normal person would have said..oh, sorry..didn't mean anything personal if they saw others were offended by what they had said.

Instead Hisa decided to keep calling me stupid and ignorant and having no game skills or knowledge etc. He did it at least 4-5 times. There is no point ever discussing with someone that's like that again..so I won't. That's all I was saying.

[Novice]

DEFCON=7

Instead Hisa decided to keep calling me stupid and ignorant and having no game skills or knowledge etc. He did it at least 4-5 times. There is no point ever discussing with someone that's like that again..so I won't. That's all I was saying.

Again. You CAN NOT discuss.
this is the only one fact.


I did not attack you from first.
I just had explained "how to do" and history.
I asked you,If you criticize that, in order first to acquire skill.
But, you it keeps blaming others before from proper request.
Either effort does not do, understanding is not.
Is something recognized in such a person??
Meaning three times same things, you cannot understand nece-
ssary ones.
Stupid is very rude word I admit. But very suitable for such one.

Truth sometimes seemed rude.

Ignorance:The person who does not know circumstance and history

There is no appropriate word in other things.
did you want to be called erudition even in a lie??

Again Truth sometimes seemed rude.


I desire the argument with the clever person.
I do not criticize concerning he calling me asshole.
just his lack of ability.
(skill,knowledge,effort,intelligence and morale.)

In fact,as for me there was no method of being supposed ignore LN 2 after all.(until poll limit)
I dislike the scurvy argument like this.
If there is no ability to be sufficient for the oppornent,
rational opinion cannot hear. There was no the ability in him.

I think,"Complaiant from the guy of no-effort no-knowledge"
is worthless to discuss.
I still believe it is rational thought.
I just agree with Democraty.not more than it.

I also hate nonsense discuss.
I may do it after he will grow up enough.


DEFCON=15
say complaiant should be done after possess something.
LN2 is too young in this case.
do not worry. I do not blame him any more. I love peace

[QRS]

Watakushi wa michi ni mayoimashita...

QRS

[LN2]

Ok, I said above I wouldn't reply to his crap anymore but I can't allow his attacking of me without defending myself.

DEFCON=7
Again. You CAN NOT discuss.

wtf, many others thought I had valid points etc. You closed your mind to it. You have no idea what discussion means by the way you interpretted what was being said.

I did not attack you from first.

Excuse me but calling someone stupid and ignorant and also then "not worthy to discuss" is an attack on me. That doesn't contribute to the discussion at all.

If you criticize that, in order first to acquire skill.
But, you it keeps blaming others before from proper request.

Look, players do not need to understand and be able to do the trick/skill in Outrun to have an opinion that it is unfair play of the game and certainly a bug in the code, not a feature...and certainly not the way the game developer had intended the game to be played. A MAJORITY of those that voted felt the same way....yet you are targeting me for all your negativity and showing disrespect. Again are you saying 60% of the voters for that are stupid and ignorant? It seems you are just calling me that. That makes your comments a personal attack on me.

I watched your inp recording. I saw exactly how you raced the game. There is no way you can expect the game developer had intended for you to be able to race through a cornfield or flower field or bushes or grassy area without losing any speed at all. It's a bug you exploit shifting the gears in an unrealistic manner the developer didn't expect.

If you don't do the gear trick and go off the road you slowdown drastically... THAT is what the developer intended. The trick results in bypassing that check so once you are off the road the check isn't done again until after you come back on the road...then next time as you get ready to go off the road the code would check for that and slow you down but the gear trick again bypasses that check.

I don't need to be able to do that myself to have opinions about that type of play. I could easily learn how to do that if I wanted to.

I'm guessing most that voted yes are because they actually aren't as informed about exactly what they are voting on as those that voted no. It wouldn't even surprise me if you had somehow voted yes numerous times...or gotten a few friends that don't give a crap to also vote yes just to support you.

Stupid is very rude word I admit. But very suitable for such one.

There you go being disrespectful and clueless about what you are saying I think.

Ignorance:The person who does not know circumstance and history

Ignorance means the lack of knowledge.

I watched your inp. I saw the trick. I saw how much faster you can get through the course sections using the trick. I have played the game myself enough to have an idea about what times you can get racing without the trick. I had knowledge about exactly how you were playing the game. I made an opinion that isn't fair to those who raced the game without using the gear trick.

You have submitted a top score for one of the other sets not using the trick. That's good. I figured you would be able to do that...which was a big part of why I wondered why would you use a trick to get a high score when you can get the high score without using the trick? A real gamer would have just played it without the trick and gotten the high score.

I do not criticize concerning he calling me asshole.

I only called you an asshole after you had called me stupid and ignorant 2-3 times. I had asked you to not do that and yet you continued to call me things and show disrespect toward me over and over. It was after that I first called you an asshole. That behavior is what makes you an asshole IMHO.

LN2 is too young in this case.

wtf do you base that on? You have no clue how old I am. Again you go assuming things that are 100% incorrect. So what I didn't know about this gear trick in Outrun before this thread. Whether I knew about it 15 years ago or just a week ago doesn't change my opinion for setting records playing the game exploiting a bug. It certainly isn't a feature.
To give you an idea of my age I was in college when Outrun was new in the arcades and very popular.

I love peace

If you did like peace then you wouldn't call people stupid and ignorant just because they have an opinion that doesn't agree with your opinion. It is obvious that I am not the first person here you have treated with disrespect. You have to realize calling people stuff like that ends peace.

I didn't say you were stupid or ignorant for having the opinion you have. I judged the game and how I think it should be played.

YOU judged ME for my opinion...not the game. See the difference? One is called discussion. The other is just insulting others.

Also I wonder now just how many other scores you have submitted where you are using some cheap trick or hack you learned from a web site to get the high scores. A highly skilled gamer wouldn't have any reason to use such tricks to start with.

[Novice]

Defcon= 7

Watakushi wa michi ni mayoimashita...

QRS

Suman ne~.
Kouiu noumiso no tarinai do-aho-!! to hanasisuruto tukaremasune.
tsugiga mosi areba tanosiku yarimasyo-.

I like the nice guy QRS.

P.S.
LN2, you do not have to prove your stupidness anymore.
I(and everyone) already understand indeed.

[tar]

I like the name of the topic.