Outrun

[LN2]

DEFCON=6
I know that 52 million is poor.
http://yuri.sakura.ne.jp/~teko/replay.html
has over 60 million.

Yes, and those of us playing the game as intended as you can see from the other top scores can only get in the 43 million range...so using the off-road technique seems to be a way to obtain race times impossible to obtain racing the game on the road as intended by the gamer.

Given the top few MARP score are fairly close it's clear your technique allows scoring beyond normal racing. You have admitted with "poor" play you have outscored those playing the game well using that off-road trick.

I want to see the players best skilled at racing the game as intended...not players best skilled at doing some trick where aspects of the race are moot or you zoom off-road and stay at top speed unless you get back on the road then back off again. You are just exploiting a game flaw in the code where you bypass the check to see if you are off the road to drag and slow your car down so you can stay at top speed without having to worry about cars and trucks etc. getting in your way.

That alone is a reason to ban that technique as scores should be based on skill whenever possible...and not some cheap trick.

The techniques used in many of the Japanese high scores are banned by Twin Galaxies, and/or Guinness, and/or MARP. In many cases they are using different game settings as well.

It's clear the other scores at MARP that pale in comparison to your 52-53 million which you even call a poor score isn't fair to the rest playing the game. You are obtaining a score playing "poor" in your own terms that demolishes all other MARP scores for the game from people playing it as intended. It seems you are getting a score using that technique that the best skilled outrun racer in the world perhaps can't obtain racing honestly.

Submit your score to that Japanese high score site then if you want to use cheap and tricky techniques to exploit game flaws and get higher scores than what skilled racers are getting racing the game in a fair manner.

I'm sure if those that scored 40+ million racing it normally used this same off-road technique they would be getting 50+ million also. It doesn't mean they have improved their skill though. The net effect is the scores would all be meaningless if all based on exploiting game flaws.

Again, it isn't personal at all. Given how you can do that trick(claiming it isn't easy at all) I'm sure you can play the game as the others did and get 42+ million anyway...so do it.

Just my $0.03(inflation you know)

[QRS]

My best score back in the eighties were like 45mil+ using no trick but it was on the original machine (standup) and with a wheel of course.. I can´t get used to play Outrun on mame using the mouse, so I tried it with my psx pad.. and that was the best I could do (strangely enough)
My best on mame is 43 mil, but is far from "perfect".

I´m sure I could get a better score these days using the arcade wheel.
About the trick I have no idea. I just tried it for fun, and I have no idea how much i can get, but as I have already stated.. I will NOT play like that and upload to Marp. Even if my scores are beaten and the trick is accepted period.

btw..

Just my $0.03(inflation you know)

LOL! That was a good one

[DRN]

[takes cover]

[BBH]

Yes. I am not real good player indeed. and it is what always saying.
do you really know the meaning of "NOVICE"?
it is the fact. I am a novice player even if a little better than real ga.....
sorry forget it. :lol:

still taking cheap shots at me? how mature. fuck off, douchebag. I know you're obsessed with me and all, but get over it.

[Novice]

Defcon=7.

Voting should be done among "ONLY"who can do like this.
2 tops of rainbowa recordings use permanent leeching.
but no one mentioned about their play. because of no one can do loke them... is my recognization.
banning vote must be proposed by who can do it by himself.

anysome,I know hundreds of tricks not mentioned at tips and tricks page.
what do you think about those tricks??

---example
Xevious ---Gemini Induct. (2up for each ship)
Rompers-- 150+ million points bug
GradiusIII--Invinsible
Rod-Land--Secret Jackpot
many games--clear and die trick.
some games--minus score turn to +999999..(alpine ski)
secret score--76543210 points of chase H.Q.
pass words....

[Novice]

DEFCON=1

That alone is a reason to ban that technique as scores should be based on skill whenever possible...and not some cheap trick.
The techniques used in many of the Japanese high scores are banned by Twin Galaxies, and/or Guinness, and/or MARP. In many cases they are using different game settings as well.

Then do it by yourself or shut up.

[Skyline]

Ok, so now we're resorting to bashing those who aren't Japanese. Very mature.. -_-;;;

[Chad]

this is getting just a tad old. Obviously Japanese player's admired and mimiced by Hisa have a different scoring paradigm. Marp isn't "better" because most of the players don't agree with how they play because it almost could be considered leeching, nor is the Japanese way of life "better" because they can score higher, it's just different.

differences become fear, fear becomes arguments, arguments become name calling. just accept the differences, and play. you two (bbh and hisa) are both exquisite players regardless of what your opinions are of yourselves or others. do you really have to argue? take it on the chin once in awhile and laugh it off.

[mahlemiut]

Hisa, the Tips and Tricks page depends on people actually sending them in. If you have some INPs showing these tricks, then by all means e-mail the zipped INPs to me and I'll add them to the page.

[Francois Daniel]

DEFCON=1
Then do it by yourself or shut up.
Ban by TG/Guiness? so what ??
they are completely worthless.
Do you know most of games what apply on MAME was from??
yes. 90%+ of games are from Japan.
Do they have knowledge as much as Japanse players??
no way!
in other words, T/G(and some of you) misunderstood the spirit of games.
and make some stupid rules.(without knowledge,skill and THE SPIRIT

Shame on you for these words. I know some cool guys from japan and I love japan but never I heard such arrogants words from my japanese friends.

I'm very sad today

Francois

[Francois Daniel]

this is getting just a tad old. Obviously Japanese player's admired and mimiced by Hisa have a different scoring paradigm. Marp isn't "better" because most of the players don't agree with how they play because it almost could be considered leeching, nor is the Japanese way of life "better" because they can score higher, it's just different.

differences become fear, fear becomes arguments, arguments become name calling. just accept the differences, and play. you two (bbh and hisa) are both exquisite players regardless of what your opinions are of yourselves or others. do you really have to argue? take it on the chin once in awhile and laugh it off.

Thanks Chad, you're the wise one here

Francois

[Mr. Kelly R. Flewin]

First off.. Chad..? You hit the nail right on the head... [though I somehow pictured Yoda saying that.... dunno why]

I personally feel that 2 things can be done in this regard. Either,

A) Split the game... one NORMAL racing, the other W/This freaking hard to do trick... a little extra work.. but all scores stay and well this debate ends here..

B) Disallow the trick and allow it to go on merit of how skilled a driver you are... the downside is fighting may continue on sadly... but it's an option regardless.

Now I can see it from Hisa's point of view about lack of spirit and such for TG's strict enforcements.. but on the other hand, I see them as a pure challenge in that respect as well. To be able to conform to such trivialities and completely dominate the field, that shows even more skill... imho.

I can see it from both sides of the coin and both have it right.. different views on the subject mind you.. and that's what rocks. If someone from Japan comes down here and whips my ass U, U, D, D, L, R, L, R, B, A, B, A, Start... er.. Oopsie ^^;; anyways.. does that under a TG setting, I would be in awe... mind you... if I went to Japan and saw them not only whip my ass, but so hard the 5th generation next feels it, and schools me in the Japanese spirit of asswhoopin on a game, then that would completely rock as well

It's not about who's got the spirit thing right... we ALL have it right... it's about breaking down the walls and barriers and co-existing and living TOGETHER... because after all... we may come from different countries.. but it's our common love that brings us together.

Make Pacman not War!


Kelly

[Novice]

DEFCON=4.

A) Split the game... one NORMAL racing, the other W/This freaking hard to do trick... a little extra work.. but all scores stay and well this debate ends here..

B) Disallow the trick and allow it to go on merit of how skilled a driver you are... the downside is fighting may continue on sadly... but it's an option regardless.

I already have wrote everything what I have to.
I will accept any results poll,voting on MARP.

This game is not NORMAL racing. Driving game "OUT" run.
and that trick is not bug.
because all later versions have this feature,too.

[BBH]

this is getting just a tad old. Obviously Japanese player's admired and mimiced by Hisa have a different scoring paradigm. Marp isn't "better" because most of the players don't agree with how they play because it almost could be considered leeching, nor is the Japanese way of life "better" because they can score higher, it's just different.

differences become fear, fear becomes arguments, arguments become name calling. just accept the differences, and play. you two (bbh and hisa) are both exquisite players regardless of what your opinions are of yourselves or others. do you really have to argue? take it on the chin once in awhile and laugh it off.

Well, you see, I'm not the one starting this petty shit. Hisa is the one provoking me, insulting me for no reason in random threads. But obviously he can only dish it out and can't take it, as evidenced by his total lack of being able to reply to me and finish the shit he starts. (note his two replies in a row to other people)

And you know what? Just for the record, I sure as hell do not have anything against the Japanese. A lot of Japanese players have graced MARP with some incredible scores, this can't be disputed. It's just too bad that the most vocal person on this board from Japan has to be Hisa/Novice/TTYF/whatever-the-fuck-name-he's-using-this-week. Because according to Hisa, a score just can't be good unless it's world-record level play. Well guess what, there's over 6 billion people on this planet and only one person can be the best at a game. Most people are not playing video games to be the best, they are playing for fun. Or perhaps a little friendly competition with a friend, a "rival" at the arcade, or anyone on this site. In other cases, someone might be playing just to try to improve on their own and beat their old scores. They don't care if someone on the other side of the planet has maxed out the score, they're happy that they've been able to reach a new level for the first time.

That's not too hard to understand, is it? Well, apparently it is for Mr. Novice.

Show some respect, you'll get some respect back. Act like an asshole, you'll be treated as such.

[Novice]

DEFCON=5

It's just too bad that the most vocal person on this board from Japan has to be Hisa/Novice/TTYF/whatever-the-fuck-name-he's-using-this-week. Because according to Hisa, a score just can't be good unless it's world-record level play.

It is the difference of nationality.
I sometimes make the comment of satisfy when I did my personal best even if it is much inferior than world record.

example.
http://marp.retrogames.com/index.cgi?mo ... 00&tourn=0

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