How to Handle Cheaters at MARP?

Post by **mahlemiut** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 3:25 pm

To me, option 1 seems rather harsh, and should really only be used in extreme cases, such as those who blatantly cheat, and show total disregard for doing anything about it.

Mr. Kelly R. Flewin · Post by **Mr. Kelly R. Flewin** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 4:17 pm

mahlemiut wrote:To me, option 1 seems rather harsh, and should really only be used in extreme cases, such as those who blatantly cheat, and show total disregard for doing anything about it.

I completely agree and that's why I am not going to vote on this topic, until it can have another option added. Cheater found? 1 warning. Cheat again? 2nd warning [or ban, depending on factors like language barriers, obvious understanding and blatant disregard.. etc] And if it gets to that point... 1 more time? YER OUTTA THERE!! No excuses

But the point was, they could just come back and make a new acct and harass us over and over.. which isn't good... but closing Marp to newcomers isn't good either. [though it'd work with bad side effects, ie. no fresh blood/competition and us being dubbed elitest, even with the realization it was due to a few bad apples ruining the batch.]

Catch-22, so 23 Skidoo... [vroooooooooom]

Kelly

SJK · Post by **SJK** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 5:25 pm

wuzel wrote:have u seen the film from Counter strike tournament where a security throwing outside a "cheater" guy with all his stuff (whole pc)??? thats the spirit

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staged/fixed/fake

BBH · Post by **BBH** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 9:47 pm

god, what the hell has the preload thing done to some people?

You know, I find it really unfortunate that people would have to cheat. In a perfect world everyone would be honest about their scores. But sometimes these thigns happen... often a recording done with autofire or slow speed is recorded by someone who's ignorant of the rules in place forbidding these things. Usually they understand the error of their ways. As far as I know, there's been no instance of anyone going all-out to flood MARP with as many fradulent recordings as possible.

Even if a user were to be "banned" or deleted, what's to keep them from coming back and uploading all those recordings again? Nothing. I'm not sure if anyone can be blocked entirely from ever viewing the site again. But that's an extreme situation. The preload situation is NOT that extreme. Yes, he has made mistakes, but cut new people a little slack. As of yet there is no way of being sure that he is doing this maliciously, so why act even harsher and ban him? He hasn't had much of a chance, and already his name has been tainted for some people who believe that every recording of his from now on will be cheating in some way. Losing that respect is already a form of punishment.

I swear, it's like the freakin' Salem witch trials around here now.

AL · Post by AL » Fri Oct 10, 2003 10:44 pm

yes BBH , but didn't Preload answer ( on this thread ) his critics , and his reasons why he didn't cheat . And were not all of his responses proved to be full of shit ?..i.e lying , therefore a cheating cunt , as proved by Barry + Chad .

The only slack I'd give him would be in the minus category , whilst the noose slowly , but surely , wraps around his neck .

Harsh eh ?

Cheers ,

AL

Weehawk · Post by **Weehawk** » Sat Oct 11, 2003 2:25 am

BBH wrote:god, what the hell has the preload thing done to some people?

The preload situation was merely the most recent one to raise these issues so dramatically. The question at hand has nothing specifically to do with preload. I was careful about that.

BBH wrote:As far as I know, there's been no instance of anyone going all-out to flood MARP with as many fradulent recordings as possible.

Are you saying that's what it would take for you to feel that someone should be banned from MARP?

BBH wrote:Even if a user were to be "banned" or deleted, what's to keep them from coming back and uploading all those recordings again? Nothing.

Weehawk wrote:Perhaps nothing.

But that player might understand at that point that further cheating would not be tolerated, and other would-be cheaters might get the same message.

BBH wrote:...believe that every recording of his from now on will be cheating in some way. Losing that respect is already a form of punishment.

Funny, I see that predicament as punishing honest players forced to compete against scores they have reason to suspect, because they were submitted by someone known to have cheated on other games. That a cheater's credibilty has been tarnished does not concern me in the slightest. It's as it should be.

BBH wrote:I swear, it's like the freakin' Salem witch trials around here now.

Because some of us are concerned that MARP is not doing enough to discourage cheating?

Please.

Phil Lamat · Post by **Phil Lamat** » Sat Oct 11, 2003 5:35 am

For me, #1 is too severe ; so I vote #2 but the intermediate idea of the 3 warnings is not so bad

The TJT · Post by **The TJT** » Sat Oct 11, 2003 12:31 pm

Two/one warnings before ban, case by case. Delete all recordings. Ban for 2-5 months. Then violator can join again, submit non-cheated records.

Option 2 is like saying: You can cheat if you don't get caught. Just submit untill cheated recording passes or nobody bothers about it.

Thanks,

Tommi

Chad · Post by **Chad** » Sat Oct 11, 2003 2:47 pm

yeah #2 does seem to say cheat until you don't get caught, but that's what's always happened. A lot of cheaters WONT get caught because we still allow unsecure mame recordings, we can't catch all the cheaters and just because we catch cheaters it doesn't mean they are the ONLY cheaters out there. There's something to forgiveness too; i voted for #2 because if you catch someone and still let them upload it would mean they "STOPED" cheating at least for one way, and that's a good thing! yes, they could be finding other ways to cheat, but they know that cheating can be "found out" and perhaps they might have less of a chance of doing so.

LN2 · Post by **LN2** » Sat Oct 11, 2003 4:12 pm

I voted for #2 simply because #1 is too harsh. If there was a middle ground selection for this poll like a few warnings with repeated offenses leading to a 2-3 month ban then repeated offenses after that potentially permanent banishment....then I would have voted for that.

#1 easily reads like if you are determined to be cheating at a game, that's it...bye bye. That's too harsh so I didn't vote for it.

tar · Post by **tar** » Sat Oct 11, 2003 6:25 pm

let the sunset on this one.

http://washingtondcmetroweb.com/Sunset_sub4.htm

The TJT · Post by **The TJT** » Sat Oct 11, 2003 9:30 pm

tar wrote:let the sunset on this one.

http://washingtondcmetroweb.com/Sunset_sub4.htm

Damn, that's fucking beautiful, what it has to do with this?

I would think if you vote for 1. there are still options for the banning length.!?!!
If you vote for 2. your a wus!

Words of wisdom, eh eh.
TJT, drunk as usual. This must be a sign of hardcore player, looking this board after few tappers.

Milla hei sun täytyy muuttuu, sun elämältä suunta puuttuu.

AL · Post by AL » Sat Oct 11, 2003 10:42 pm

Tommi , lay off the gargle . You will regret your post in the mornimg .
Trust me , I know...

Cheers ,

AL

p.s f***ing Swiss c***s......

The TJT · Post by **The TJT** » Sat Oct 11, 2003 10:59 pm

I want my "edit" button!

Post by **mahlemiut** » Sat Oct 11, 2003 11:10 pm

Here you go. $\:D/$

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How to Handle Cheaters at MARP?

What do you think is the most appropriate way to deal with players at MARP caught cheating?

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