Debate for WCC4 rules

Phil Lamat · Post by **Phil Lamat** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 5:52 am

AS WCC3 showed it, we have to enforce a little rules for WCC4.
I would like your ideas/opinions

My first idea to avoid last minute submissions is :
2 rankings for 1 game --> 10-7-5-3-2-1 after 3 days, and 10-7-5-3-2-1 after end of 7th day.
It would force some players to show their technics.

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 6:43 am

First after 4 days and next on the end. It's my opinion.

Why after 4 days? Because:
saturday and sunday - I usually drink (vodka)

monday - I become sober

for play stay only tuesday

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 6:49 am

On start round judge must write how game will be played, not in next day or middle round:
1. Points
2. Stages
3. If somebody find leeching method then this must be stay. Can't change rules or counting system for it.

Dax · Post by **Dax** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:03 am

I think I agree with Destructor here. 4 days in. Usually the first few days of a new round doesn't get much play. Mostly I think, because players are tired from the previous round.

I think its an excellent idea to get players to submit earlier, however.....

Players like Destructor, BBH and Rick who's submissions would still have won even had they submitted them on the first day, are gonna rack up twice as many points on their competitors. This could make the tournament practically over after the first few weeks. (As if this one wasn't). Maybe an alternative solution would be to add only half the incentive to submit early. Say only award half as many points for the mid-round rankings than for the final rankings. For example award 10-7-5-3-2-1 for the final but only award 5 - 3.5 - 2.5 - 1.5 - 1 - .5 for the mid-round. Maybe thats too many decimals for some people. But half points could make for an interesting tournament. Another way would be to double the points for the final like 20-14-10-6-4-2. Either way.

My point being there should be a little more emphasis on the final scores than the mid-week scores, but still enough incentive to get others to submit early. More like giving bonus points for early submissions, rather than full credit.

Great idea Phil, we are in good hands.

Dax · Post by **Dax** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:07 am

destructor wrote:On start round judge must write how game will be played, not in next day or middle round:
1. Points
2. Stages
3. If somebody find leeching method then this must be stay. Can't change rules or counting system for it.

1. ok
2. ok
3. leeching should be banned altogether, any submission with leeching should be DQed. If someone finds a leeching method they can save it for regular marp. But competitions should remain leech free.

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:10 am

If it's massive leeching banned in MARP rule then ok. If it's only maximized score but with massive points then can't be benned (with time limit in game for example, etc.) .

QRS · Post by **QRS** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 7:41 am

Dax wrote: 3. leeching should be banned altogether, any submission with leeching should be DQed. If someone finds a leeching method they can save it for regular marp. But competitions should remain leech free.

No, we don´t want it on regular MARP either. They belong on the tips and trick page. And of course.. I´m talking about clear cases of leeching that goes against the MARP rules here.

Francois Daniel · Post by **Francois Daniel** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 8:09 am

destructor wrote:If it's massive leeching banned in MARP rule then ok. If it's only maximized score but with massive points then can't be benned (with time limit in game for example, etc.) .

Ban infinite leeching as Blasted but not ban limited leeching as Rygar or gng (using the special rules).

Also ban tricks who exploit bugs (as infinite time in gng)

But it's not also simple to say if one leech is or not against marp rules.

Francois

LordGaz · Post by **LordGaz** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 8:39 am

( * intentionally removed * ) Gaz

wuzel · Post by **wuzel** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 9:01 am

damn! another massive discusion cuased by 2 guys from poland

dont know should i be proud or ashamed

my opinion: first 2 days (saturday, sunday) - any leeching method must be shown - if later used the inp goes 2 hell, after showing the method is should be debate or simply the coordinators deccision we should we do next. COME ON!!!! we are all adult people!!!! lets face it!!! for fastlane a think i was enough 2 tell - no methods like at stage 1 and we will stay with points but everybody needs 2 understand that and accept.
and then 5 dasy of playing without any points difference,24 h rulez and that all.

but Its only my opinion - i m from poland polish people are greedy and maybe thats why i dont like 2 share my stuff 2 early

congrats 2 des for a hatrick and 2 DAX for a second place - well done man

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 9:09 am

wuzel wrote:
my opinion: first 2 days (saturday, sunday) - any leeching method must be shown - if later used the inp goes 2 hell, after showing the method is should be debate or simply the coordinators deccision we should we do next.

I not always find best method in first 2 days, especially if I drink

Not good idea. Sometimes I find some interested method to maximize score by case in last or one before last day.

wuzel · Post by **wuzel** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 9:20 am

destructor wrote:
wuzel wrote:
my opinion: first 2 days (saturday, sunday) - any leeching method must be shown - if later used the inp goes 2 hell, after showing the method is should be debate or simply the coordinators deccision we should we do next.
I not always find best method in first 2 days, especially if I drink
Not good idea. Sometimes I find some interested method to maximize score by case in last or one before last day.

bro i dont talk about maximizing methods olny about leeching which should be banned

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 9:31 am

Hm... but what if it will be controversial again?
For example fastlane. For me leeching in this game needed not be banned. In one moment cars move too quickly.

wuzel · Post by **wuzel** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 6:41 am

destructor wrote:Hm... but what if it will be controversial again?
For example fastlane. For me leeching in this game needed not be banned. In one moment cars move too quickly.

IT SHOULD BE BANNED !!!!! faster movement of cars is nothing look at this that way: i m staying in stage 1 and manage to make 300 000 and i died at stage 2 and u reach stage 26 without leeching and got only 150 000

- whos score is better? MINE

ta fastlane - no leeching imidietly

destructor · Post by **destructor** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 8:01 am

Look scores from wcc3:

Destructor ........ (27) 492600
Zteuer .............. (19) 414160
Dax .................. (19) 355640
Wuzel ............... (18 ) 358760
Nanni ................ (18 ) 345760
Exs .................... (18 ) 339620

Anybody use leeching on stage 1.